NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #34

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-sil
ence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

I cannot believe I have family staying the whole way through this hearing...just as the thing starts we are off out.

Up to thread 40 by the end of the day I reckon.

Good luck everybody, remember keep hydrated and go touch some grass when it all gets too surreal. Be prepared for anything and everything and stay alert.

You got this.

Just try not to buy a tent. The Mumsnet ads for those keep almost sucking me in.

Merseytravel gives you a bus and a train pass at 60.

Joseph Wright's English Dialect Dictionary has 'snib' as Scotland, Ireland (not specific as to region), then in England, Yorks, Rutland, Leics, Northants and Beds - so basically the Danelaw.

'sneck' goes further west and south, as far as Lancs and Worcs.

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I'm feeling peckish too, so in case proceedings are about to start, could yiz please stop with the delish recipes, or we'll all be in the kitchen foraging for snacks when proceedings start😄

But that's where I planned to horde all the rights I'm keeping.

Sneckit is in the famous (to us) poem "The Boy on the Train" -

"ah'll no fa oot the windae maw, it's sneckit as sure as ah'm leevin"

Wasn't there a lot more 'ch' as in 'loch' in old English? I seem to remember this from O-level Chaucer?

(Did the English just forget how to pronounce words?)

I was kicked out of waiting room - back "Waiting for the conference host to join" again.

Have NHS Fife thrown in the towel?

We have visuals, but the IT system seems to be having conniptions

So in old English you pronounce the gh in bright as bricht?

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So far I've had ads for things like Bespoke Leadership Programmes Grounded in Theory and Industry Expertise [wonder what prompted that😂]
SonarQube Server automates code quality and security reviews and provides actionable code intelligence so developers can focus on building better, faster.. and er... men's health products..
No tents though.

I think I've confused the algorithms..

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System is not happy! Overheating due to too many people I reckon!

Same here. We might be in the same room.

Would be sweet if they had but i get the feeling they are far too smug to admit defeat!!

Sibwns was the word for spring onions where I grew up in South Wales. (Pronounced shibbwns)
Especially by the old boys who grew them on their allotments.
I'd forgotten all about it, just had a vivid flashback to my mam's kitchen.

I am in the room and it is now asking for the pin number again, with nowhere to put it!

Ah I don't have visuals - was in on time too

They just got lazy. They'd never pronounce Bach as in the composer as Back. The way they do loch its the same ending.

That is interesting. Light is licht in Dutch. So maybe gh - ch

This request again. With each passing day there'll be a temptation for those of us watching the hearing steam to relax into being more free and easy with chatting about it. Bearing in mind the guidance, we should resist this. For those of us watching, it might be best for us to start each day with a reset of what our approach is to be and then over the day that each time we're tempted to post anything here to do a quick mental check of whether the post is actually about the contents of the stream.

It was gutting last time when public remote access was pulled and it would be horrible for that to happen again.

Waiting on the panel to arrive