NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #34

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-sil
ence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

75 and counting

Im going to get some of these from Amazon.

There's the calories you expend carrying it round the shop, bringing it home and putting it in the fridge, moving it round the fridge to get to other things that you actually want to eat, before lifting it out and throwing it in the bin. Then zero calories from consumption as it's revolting stuff.

yum!

I am at an age where I had to stop and think for while about what year we were in and whether I'd had my birthday yet! Even then the first answer I came up with wrong!

Celery soup is my favourite soup. I was gutted when Campbells stopped doing those condensed tins of it that you add milk to. If I was in luck it glooped out in a tower.

Gutted despite never being sure if I actually liked eating it or not, even while doing so.

Celery is an integral part of a proper soffritto.

Oh he will find a way to sue the NHS he is that narcissistic and if he loses he will not take it well.. he will be so desperate for people to be on his side tbh i think thats why he kept notes of everything it wasnt just the women he was keeping tabs on but the hospital too..

I think the word Ashett (cooking tin/pot) is borrowed from the French. The French influence an interesting hangover from the Auld Alliance situation I suppose.

I've just seen that snib, as in snib on a door, is specifically Scots. That can't be right, surely? What else would you call it?

56

If you are popping in having missed a few pages, this reads like a red bull fuelled squirrel roll call.

Tribunal Tweets@tribunaltweets
We're still waiting to enter the hearing room and do not know what time the hearing will resume today.

<sigh> I'm sure what they are discussing is v important, AND this is giving us a bit more time to get some work done before it all kicks off in public but..

A baseball cap, pulled well down at the front, with a really big pair of googly eyes glued on?

Or a pair of those joke specs with huge moving googly eyes?

Oh he will find a way to sue the NHS he is that narcissistic and if he loses he will not take it well..

I am sure if Fife found a way to give him the old heave ho, or worse, he got struck off, he and his trans chums would have a mega trans tantrum to defy all trans tantrums.

It seems plausible. He was told (?) or led to believe he had a right to be there. NHSF's lack of any policy on the matter created a situation where rights were bound to conflict at some point.

47 - I put my mum who is 77 onto tribunal tweets and she, as a retired HR director, is spontaneously combusting several times a day. My dad says if she keeps going through the test match, I'll be on the naughty step.

What is a snib?

Latch? Like latch key kid.
But doesn't have the same ring as, leave it on the snib,

I read the statement from NHSF when they'd removed the accusations against SM but had kept in the disclaimer and it read so weirdly.

Is it like a sneck?

45 - Not 44 as I mistakenly told DD a few months back then had a stop and think and corrected myself. She reminds me now "Remember mummy, you're 45" 😂

I sure hope the delays aren't down to NHS Fife furiously arguing the rest of it needs to be behind closed doors so no one can see how batshit and crap they are

In Yorkshire, we'd call a snib a 'sneck'. (Sneck meaning nose).

81, I keep thinking about my Mother and Sister as well as all other women in our family.

My early-mid 30s friends are mostly GC but most of them aren't on Mumsnet.

Omg i always thought it was snig!! Well you learn something new every day!!

Is a skelf what we'd call a spelk in NE England? (A splinter)