NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #32

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31

That's grand , you're not being ridiculous at all - don't do anything online you're not comfortable doing.
When I emailed Sex Matters to say we would be donating 'en masse' I also asked for our good wishes to be passed on to NC and team, so that will include yours
Is there such a thing as a wee innocent cat? I thought they were all superior intelligences who carefully train their humans - yours may in fact have you completely fooled and in fact is a multinational entrepreneur😼

I watch the cricket live so i can WhatsApp with my aged dad during it. It's a bonding thing. But I have to pay the beeb to be able to do that. Grr.

i’d not be caught out by that as i hate bake off, strictly, anything like that. I am an absolute definite for no license fee.

My wee cat is definitely a superior intelligence who could run rings round bloody fife nhs!!

While the licence primarily covers funding for the BBC, and to a lesser extent Channel 4, it's required for watching any live TV in the Uk.

https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/what-can-i-watch-without-a-tv-licence

Edit: And to clarify, by live TV I mean anything playing on the TV channel at that moment. So, watching an old Father Ted on the channel 4 app is fine without a licence. Watching that same Father Ted episode on channel 4 itself, not allowed.

@VimesandhisCardboardBoots is correct. That is the law. You are required to have a licence if you watch any of the broadcast channels (BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Dave, etc.), any pay TV service (Sky, Virgin Media, EE TV, etc.), or iPlayer, or watch any live content on a streaming service (YouTube, Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc.). Without a licence you can legally watch non-live content on streaming services, but that is really all you can do.

The balls-up of the century?

Tbh the only actual live content that i access is the bbc news in the morning ironically and now i don’t really rate that given what i have seen in this case. I used to watch masterchef live but won’t anymore for obvious reasons. I think i am safe. I might be different from normal as i don’t like the normal stuff like love island, bake off, get me out of here etc. wouldn’t go near it. Might watch a wee Netflix film of an evening but i presume that’s ok?

This is on the Sex Matters website

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Unless you choose to make a public donation, your details (name, donation amount and comment) are kept private.

Edited to add- I re-read your post and noted your concerns aren't about your donation being public, but about hacking

That might be Fife's performance today...

But yes, it was an astonishing ball, fat Gatt was so bamboozled...

A film on Netflix, fine. Wrestlemania on Netflix, as it's airing, not fine.

It's a stupidly complicated set of rules.

A film on Netflix fine for me. The likes of wrestlemania definitely not fine :-) i know other tastes are available :-)

If it had been a cheese roll....

No, im sorry. I can't think of any way to connect it.

If i accidentally and definitely not intentionally had wrestlemania on the screen momentarily could they come and get me??

I hope she is a whole lot happier that this shit show is coming out in court.

Im praying she gets decent compensation out of this and never needs to enter a CR ever!

Not paid for a licence for years, stop falling for the fear effect the BBC have promoted. They never had detector vans that could tell if you were watching without a licence and the idiots they pay to knock on your door have as much power as a double glazing salesman. Never give your name, ask them who they are and then tell them to Foxtrot Oscar, door closed. If you don't feel able to deal with them on the doorstep then just declare online you don,t need a licence, I have a spare email I do it with every 2 years thats not connected to any of my tv app email logins

It's just very sad that a nurse with a long service unblemished record will probably never nurse again because of an entitled delusional man. No amount of money will necessarily compensate her for that, or the patients that could have benefited from her care.

They could. Presumably Netflix store that info somewhere and TV licencing could ask for it.

Whether they actually would is a different question. But given how aggressive the TV licencing authority can be about pursuing stuff, I wouldn't risk it. A not negligible number of the women in prison in the UK are there because they didn't pay their TV licence. (I can't remember the figure, but I saw it on here somewhere)

I am not sure who you actually are. But I have disabled my license fee and will obviously check exactly what i can watch. And stick to that to best of my ability but it is scaremongering that i would go to jail if i accidentally had something on screen that I’ve not paid for.

you say no one should risk not paying bbc license fee in case they accidentally have something on screen and can end up in jail? Do you work for them?

I have complained about Thursday's BBC headline
It looked as if written by a work experience teen... but might have been a local Fifian with relations involved in the case. It was poorly written - failed to represent the article it headed or the day in court and it was clearly presenting Nurse Peggie as the 'baddie' so was anything but neutral.

Friday morning's heading (about the sobbing trans-doc) was just as bad... but was quickly taken down (because of our complaints?).

I will continue to hold the BBC to account but will also pay for it because of the great work it does with radio. I have lived in places where I've depended on BBC World-service. You don't have to pay a licence to listen but the fee helps fund its work.

Fighting from within works too.

I think that they have a monopoly and therefore can do what they like and in this case have been appalling. And meanwhile if we don’t pay for this ‘service’ we can go to jail.

The problem with the BBC on this thread is its editorial line, not the ins and outs of the license fee.

Unless you open the door, give them your name, sign a form admitting you were watching without a licence there’s nothing they can do! Anyone who have been fined for that offence have admitted it on the doorstep. Just don’t engage, shut the door on them

Paying the license fee means agreeing with their editorial line.