NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #32

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31

The puddocks are squatting...

Just for the record I was interested to look at connections at first but have been completely persuaded by arguments not to continue amateur sleuthing, and I regret earlier comments of this nature.

I think the interest is legitimate, but the possibility of getting it wrong and causing upset to people who have nothing at all to do with the case isn't right, IMO.

Hopefully press reporters with fact-checking resources will find out for us, where any stench is emanating from the top.

Sorry i definitely don’t want thread pulled.

Hurt feelings. He might see Sandie and she might give him a dirty look and he might break down sobbing again (and poor old Elspeth then wouldn't get home for another hour).

At least they just deleted and told you. They could have suspended you, put you on supervised day shift posting privileges, and sent a DM to 20 Top Mumsnetters instructing them to condemn you!! 😁

It varies a bit according to where you are in Ireland and what the origin of your name is. My (Scottish) family name is more or less standard everywhere and nobody uses an Irish version of it unless they're an Irish speaker wanting to make a point. If a surname is Scottish or northern English, which they often are in the north of Ireland, it's just minor spelling differences.

On the other hand, those of my folks whose ancestors were Irish speakers and had family names like Ó Dochartaigh or similar might have that rendered in all sorts of ways, but still recognised as the same name. I think it's got to do with the different nature of family names in the Gaelic world.

It would be hilarious if further emails were produced, with other consultants saying "you can't say that!".

I expect they drafted in additional weekend staff some time around Friday afternoon ... 😂

Oh that would be sooo good - to find that DU was one of the regulars here?! Like mingling with Reddit royalty…. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

I have a colleague who explained the Mc Mac alternative was a matter of great significance, with a shocked intake of breath. I’m careful to check every time now.

And rather than vulnerable, DU had moments of real malevolence in his deportment last time.

Ooh, now I'm interested in these top 20 Mumsnetters.

Is it a shady cabal, seated along a long table in a dimly lit, smoky atmospheric room, their faces shaded and unknowable?

And what would be the qualifications? Hmmm....

But genuinely, what threat is that that needs protecting from?!

Actually I think they should lock thread #33 until 7am on Monday morning. So we can all catch up with those other pesky things that are getting in the way 😇

Was there a picture of the two friends sitting behind NC in one of the articles shared in one of these threads recently?

I thought clear intimidation tactic there too.

I haven't been able to watch any of the tribunal but I'm not surprised to hear DrU described the way he has been just from reading his responses on the stand.

I’m very much missing this too! I just signed up on the basis of the daily updates so I’llbe disappointed if they’re not, well, daily.

One other thing to remember with names, many people were illiterate. They'd go to register a child the registar would spell it the way they thought it was spelt.
So the spelling of a name could be varied by the registar.

😂 I'm glad you're careful. You don't want to get on the wrong side of a Mac. Nor a Mc!

😂😂😂

Very true! I consider I got off very lightly indeed!

Elspeth wanted to make sure he actually went and avoid the risk of any further timewasting meltdown, I expect 😂

One of the names in my family was changed from a ....y to a .....ie in that way.

I was tracing my family tree and found the specific birth certificate in the 1880's where the change happened.

DU: From Aug 2nd, when I started working at Fife, in line with previous jobs and rights of trans people

I wonder if there were other cases, where women got sacked for crossing him? Was it just that he knew the drill by now, and that’s (also) why it went as it did?

That is a very interesting question FM

I did a bit of family history stuff and one of my granddad's sisters is varyingly Ellen or Helen on different documents, still not sure what her name actually was.

Continuation thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

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