What do whips, spandex and dog masks have to do with Pride?

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They're kinks/fetishes right? Not related to sexual orientation. Also why are they anything to be 'proud' of? Your closest friends would probably find it pretty odd (and stomach turning!) if you told them your OH likes to wear your undies, or what gets you off is him licking your feet... Why is proclaiming what should be personal and private turn-ons to the general public any better? Why should they be glad for you in any way for being so open about it?

Exhibitionist. That's all I can think of. It certainly isn't pride in a sexual orientation, which is what you said also.

Indeed.

It’s grooming at its worst and always slightly twisted at its best… an over 18 club at night do what you like. But not in public places with children around.

And let's not even start on the adults with a nappy fetish at pride, especially the 60 year old men dressed as baby girls.

They have no place in decent society never mind a Pride parade.

And for once I'm not even contemplating posting an image to go with my post.

some of those furries need grooming - the state of them

Why should people be ashamed of being into leathers?

You seriously implying, if not flat out saying, that people should be ashamed of who they are is exactly why those are part of PRIDE too, as that's at the core is what's it about - accepting and loving people of all makes, besides haters.

Since when does your sexual fetish make you "who you are"?? Seems very limiting ro me.

@AidaPno one needs to be ashamed of being into leathers. You do you. But people need to acknowledge that there are some spaces where that isn’t appropriate. I’m not ashamed of my naked body. Shall I march naked?

It’s weird to have to spell this out, but when you’re in public, likely there will be children and families present, and if you’re bringing an adult fetish into this environment, it is a safeguarding issue and the safety of the most vulnerable people around trumps your right to wear what you like.

Perhaps as many of us here are parents, we’re more ready to accept that our needs should be balanced with the needs of others in the space, more alert to boundaries being pushed, and more ready to question the motives of those doing the pushing, than people who aren’t in that position.

This reminds me of the discussion around Grandads Pride and those pictures which looking back absolutely were about the author giving a very clear message to those listening.

And hey, if you like walking around nude, there are nudist parades in the UK too, seriously, go join them!

You are saying they should be ashamed, that's what it means when you push it away from the public and into behind closed doors. But PRIDE was, is and always will be the place to express yourself and be met with love and acceptance. Within bounds of the law of course, no one will have a full on sex on the parade.

Your "safeguarding" is more like attempt at censorship, as I guess there is nothing worse than a kid learning that using whips or chains can be fun, and that enjoying it is not something that they will be shunned for, but instead that there is whole group of people enjoying what they are enjoying.

You know, you do you, but actually do you, not just "the you that I accept and like".

I have couple of kids fyi, since you are trying to climb that high horse, loving kids that no one taught hate, instead they learn to accept and cherish people who are a bit queer and different, not clutch their pearls online.

What nonsense. Expecting people to keep their sexual activities private is equal to shaming them?
It's one thing celebrating your sexual orientation but there's absolutely no need to go into detail about your kinks

No one needs to see men on all fours being walked on dog leads. And anyone who thinks this is perfectly acceptable and appropriate in public is probably the same as them

I'd be revolted if straight people went on fetish pride marches through town in dog costumes and gimp masks. Why is it different for LGBT folk? It's not suitable for daylight hours end of. Keep it in the club or home.

Shocking stat: mosty people at any major pride are not actually part of LGBTQ, just supporters.

So no. Why won't you take your own advice and keep your judgement behind closet doors and not force it upon others?

But a cornerstone of kink/fetish/bdsm etc is consent. Bringing it out in public, involved bystanders who have not consented to be part of your scene, is against that ethos.

Are strictly straight, monogamous couples who are into bdsm part of Pride? They aren't L, G, B or T. If they aren't then are you saying kink/fetish/bdsm is an intrinsic thing exclusive to the LGBT community?

It seems the TQ+ is all about bringing private aspects of relationships (in a loose sense) out to the public, which has changed what pride was originally.

It’s made a complete mockery of pride, bringing kinks and fetishes to the forefront and claiming all innocence, the same as they do when condoning drag queen story time and grooming children to believe they can change sex.

@AidaP it’s very possible to love and cherish people without being party to their fetishes. It’s all a bit groomy.

If the kink is part of their personality and they can’t spend time with that part tucked away (as it were) then it’s best that children don’t spend any time with them.

There is no "consent for looking", same as no one has to consent to read this opinion you posted here, despite being wrong and filled with some hate seeping through.

You like freedom of expression to hate and pearl clutch, others use it to be themselves.

And yes, there are many straight and mono people at pride purely for the kink part of it. It's part of the Q - queer. LGTBQIA+ is the full alphabet if you are curious, intersex and asexual/armoantic for the last 2. And plus in case something was missed out.

That also was part of pride since the very beginning at stonewall.

And we wonder why so many people are turning away from LGBTQRSTU+

Jesus wept.

Where are those people who are turning away exactly? London pride was biggest in a very long time.

I’m clearly of the old fashioned type who thinks sexual fetishes should be kept behind closed doors.

Yes, same people who complained about it in the 70s, and were old fashioned back then, and called being gay as sexual fetish.

A+ for self awareness.

Keep your fetishes away from children.
Ive been involved in some fet stuff in the past, was fun, but also private.
I would never have taken anything out in public, that's forcing your fetishism on people without consent.
I'm a strong believer in LGB pride.
The rest is getting absolutely ridiculous and people are getting sick of it.

Imagine your whole identity being premised on your bedroom fetishes. It’s quite sad really.

The Omnicause distracted from the Fetish Borg this year, which is interesting…

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/youth-demand-activists-disrupt-london-pride-with-red-paint-in-pro-palestine-protest/ar-AA1I1VlU

@AidaP I've seen enough of your posts to know that you stand for something that many people believe is dangerous - removing and blurting boundaries that keep people, particularly children, safe.