What do whips, spandex and dog masks have to do with Pride?

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They're kinks/fetishes right? Not related to sexual orientation. Also why are they anything to be 'proud' of? Your closest friends would probably find it pretty odd (and stomach turning!) if you told them your OH likes to wear your undies, or what gets you off is him licking your feet... Why is proclaiming what should be personal and private turn-ons to the general public any better? Why should they be glad for you in any way for being so open about it?

Exactly.

No, just posters here, who cannot mount a ~50+ people rally on 3 months notice.

The things I stand by for just marched through london in one of the biggest prides in years.

Actual Women (especially mothers) are too busy to drop everything and go marching at a moments notice.

There is no "consent for looking", same as no one has to consent to read this opinion you posted here, despite being wrong and filled with some hate seeping through.

Wrong on all counts. Of course there should and is 'consent for looking'

We have watershed limits to safeguard children from being exposed to harmful viewing. We have age restrictions on all manner of images. We have public decency laws.

And none of decency laws were broken here. If you disagree, well, people are in public, call the MET.

But you won't as there was no laws broken, just your poor sensibility as it continues to exist and being strongly supported, despite yougov poll, collected by phoning landlines at 12pm out of people who self-registered to participate, told you that no one supports pride anymore.

Welcome to manipulated polling vs reality.

I dislike the whole Pride thing. Let people be who they want to be, but don't march around telling us all about it. Why do we want to know. Just get on with your life.

I have a very close reative who goes to these things. I know who they are and love and accept them and their chosen way of life bit I really do not see the necessity to ram it down people's throats. I don't march around pronouncing my sexuality. And I certainly would not be waving any aids about in a public place where children are.
It's all very self-indulgent.

I knew before I searched your user name that you were trans.

Your views on what's inappropriate in public and around children are concerning.

I agree. I think it’s sad that something I should be able to take my children to to celebrate all kinds of love is actually something I actively avoid going into town around as many aspects of it are completely inappropriate for young eyes!!

Oh no, random stranger on the internet who knows nothing about me, besides that I am transgender, judges my parenting ability.

I need my pearls to clutch...

Yep. No regard for boundaries. Predatory. Sums up the whole rotten movement.

Presumably the idea is that being gay is just a kink, same as dressing up in a gimp mask and being whipped. Or maybe that all gay people are sexual deviants who want to have 'weird' sex as some people can't conceive that a homosexual couple might just enjoy one-on-one 'vanilla' sex with the lights on low and lots of cuddling. Like normal people.

(Just to be clear in case it's not blindingly obvious, this is definitely not my opinion. I find lumping gay and bi people in with 'all the other weirdos' extremely offensive. Some of course will be into all sorts of fetishes and kinks, others will not. Kind of like how it is with 'normal' people really... Suggesting that fetishism is an inherent part of homosexuality is ridiculous, revolting and wrong.)

‘Aida’ is a very is a fashionable name choice for TW, along with Luna (that one’s in the crossover point of a TW/XL Bully names Venn Diagram).

Heterosexuals with kimky tastes do not gather to march the streets and tell everyone about it - they just get on with it. We simply do not need to know!

‘homonormativity’ (aka normie married gays and lesbians) isn’t cool with ‘Queer’ (aka ‘Spicey Straights’) crowd!

A gay friend of mine gave up going to Pride a couple of years ago. He says it’s awful now - ‘been completely taken over by kids and weirdos’.

What a shame.

Speaking of the kids...

Aida, I once found myself consoling a 12-year-old trans girl whose parents had forbidden them from going to Pride. They came to me distraught, interpreting it as a wholesale rejection of them. You know why it likely really was? I suspect the parents didn't want them in direct contact with such sexualised behaviour before they were old enough to be ready for, understand and deal with it.

True story.

I have my own concerns about trans children and Pride in at least its current manifestation (and particularly the two in combination), but I won't get into these here, as I don't want to give you an easy excuse to bypass this simple question:

From your perspective, which I assume would include wholehearted support of a child identifying in this way, I'm more than curious to ask...

Do you think it's more important that they - a nascent trans girl - should be able to access such events, and the community and support they represent, or that these events should favour straight adults showcasing kink?

(Rightly or wrongly, I'm choosing to assume that you don't think the two should mix).

Genuinely interested in your response.

Your "safeguarding" is more like attempt at censorship, as I guess there is nothing worse than a kid learning that using whips or chains can be fun, and that enjoying it is not something that they will be shunned for, but instead that there is whole group of people enjoying what they are enjoying.

No comment needed.

Yeah, OK, maybe my assumption above was generous. I really hope not, though.

Oh I had a feeling my post would get reported and deleted. Yet the fetish apologist posts remain.
Take note next time you start whining about how MN silence TW and delete posts. It's more often the other way round.

Why is it one or the other?

My kids are with me and my wife at many prides, kink is involved, it's never a problem. Just like topic of sex is never a problem in our house, neither is the topic of kink sex. If they are old enough to ask, they are old enough to get an answer, as detailed as they are willing to keep asking.

Whereas many parents think that by creating some sheltered existence their kids won't find about it, completely ignoring that if you turn on prime time tv you will see the same, and more, than you will on pride. Or if you google, really, anything.

I guess there is nothing worse than a kid learning that using whips or chains can be fun, and that enjoying it is not something that they will be shunned for

Good fucking lord.

I suppose its informative to see people say this stuff out loud, but by fuck is it depressing.

I leave my town whenPride is on 😂 don’t want to see men in tutus!!