What do whips, spandex and dog masks have to do with Pride?

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They're kinks/fetishes right? Not related to sexual orientation. Also why are they anything to be 'proud' of? Your closest friends would probably find it pretty odd (and stomach turning!) if you told them your OH likes to wear your undies, or what gets you off is him licking your feet... Why is proclaiming what should be personal and private turn-ons to the general public any better? Why should they be glad for you in any way for being so open about it?

You 'giffed'!!! yay Rufus!

Thank you!!!!!

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Some are into twinks is saying the quiet bit out loud, isn't it? That bit of gay male culture never quite went away, but it used to be sensibly kept in the background. Now it's very much mainstream thanks to Pride and queer-themed media.

It's a bit like having a celebration of heterosexuality organised by the subscribers of Barely Legal magazine.

Good grief, I come back here and the hole being dug has gotten even deeper. So now as well as explaining the bondage away to our young children, we’ve now also got to normalise a preference for barely legal, prepubescent looking young boys? Or did you not realise that’s how ‘twink’ is used in practice @Maddy70?

come on, let’s get that sun shining here too.

I’ll hang around for how to have the dogs in butt plugs explanation, too. Might as well make it a proper conversation

And bondage gear, and dog masks.

It has all been dismissed as being appropriate for children to witness and dismissed as not being huge, huge safeguarding red flags.

I think it is enlightening to see what gets dismissed on these threads.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4721160-furries-in-ikea?page=1

Furries in IKEA. A rather horrific read when you consider the posts dismissing it as not being an issue.

Twinks as long as they are adults and consenting. What is the issue? Maybe you're just homophobic?

Omg I wish I hadn't read that thread @Helleofabore !!!

Fking hell. Also, eww, its close to me as well; it was in the Edinburgh IKEA which I use. I'll be avoiding that one now. Wish the staff had thrown them out. I'd have complained.

Everyone is entitled to their kink ( as long as it’s not harming anyone) …. Each to their own and all that.

However, I really don’t want to know….i don’t need to see it…. I ain’t interested in what gets you off !!!
Unless I’ve specifically asked you … I don’t want it shoved down my throat ( if you know what I mean !!!)

its not ‘kink shaming’ to ask people to keep it to themself……. I don’t want to see a man w@nking in a toilet …. Or a adult wearing a soiled nappy…. Keep it to yourself and enjoy your kink in your own time…it really doesn’t need sharing.

Or maybe a responsible adult / parent who knows that sexually objectifying boys and young men is just as wrong as doing the same to girls and women?

So... to answer this question. Considering you have just said "a child seeing a person in a dog costume (pup play) or carrying a whip in leathers, or wearing a gag mask is all ok to you". I would think that your children may have been likely to have been exposed to things at a pride event that would be inappropriate and would be considered safeguarding risks.

Really.

@Maddy70 we weren’t born yesterday! We all know what ‘twink’ is code for.

Yes, absolutely, if you are actively trying to re-associate gay people with all the sexualised things they worked so hard to disassociate from in order to establish gay rights.

It’s almost like the people doing this are trying to turn the public against gay people by claiming to represent them but showing behaviours that are unacceptable in public. I guess It makes sense when you consider the homophobia rife in the trans movement.

It makes me think of nematodes.

Are you one of the parents who had no issue with children seeing men on all fours with ’pup’ masks and butt plug ‘tails’ at a Pride parade?

Sometimes I think the organisers of Pride are determined to turn it into what Mary Whitehouse used to imagine it was.

It was never really like that in her lifetime, but about this time of year she starts to seem prophetic.

No gag mask for me I'm afraid, I had to remove it to eat my tea.

Bizarrely the AI refused to depict me with the gag mask, can't think why, but was prepared to swap it for a hat, so that's nice

They’ve got their eye on the main prize which is an event in America called something Street I think (I can’t face looking it up) maybe Hamilton? And it is just what you would imagine at the End of Days. After even Gomorrah had given up.

Well this thread has been most illuminating. If anyone had any doubts about the link between certain elements of Pride, fetishes, kinks, and exposing children to them, then a few posters have clarified things very clearly.

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I'm not sure I'm buying into this being a Right/Left issue at all. Earlier on you seemed to suggest that men were "pretending" to be left wing, whilst really being right wing - as if 'genuinely' left wing men could not possibly turn out to be misgoynistic - women dismissing pricks just like the rest.

It's changed, hasn't it, from Gay Pride - or LGBTetc Pride - to Fetish Pride.

For its first 30-ish years, Pride was about acceptance and freedom. Its ideals don't translate to sex fetishes: there are no laws in need of repeal, no employment bars against men with odd bedroom habits.

And odd bedroom habits aren't especially linked to homosexuality. Fetishes are mostly a male domain, gay and straight. So a fair chunk of Pride is now for men to showcase their sex games in public. They are mostly gay men at present, and I'm not sure it's constructive to promote the idea that these fetishes are a gay thing.

The rest of it's just a carnival, nothing to do with being gay or trans in particular. In that respect, it's kind of analogous to the Rio carnival, where the 'schools' have black leadership in recognition of their protest origins but everyone can join.

But Rio does not have fetish parades. If it did, they'd lose $$$ in corporate sponsorship. Maybe the UK's sponsors need to ask themselves how Proud they are of ball gags, bare arses and symbolic slavery.

Probably worth linking this thread as a reminder of what happens when some are seen as members of a sacred caste and able to "celebrate" their kinks and fetishes with no restrictions. All the while abusing children at will

Safeguarding concerns allegedly reported to the Police, social services / the LA were, for some reason, completely ignored for years:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5364772-stephen-ireland-sentenced

Indeed they have. I'm curious btw, what caused your previous comment to be deleted? What did you say? Surely it can't have been any worse than the comments cheering on kink etc. I'm surprised those ones are still up. I've taken screenshots too now just to show others late to this thread (in case Aida, Maddy's and bee someone's posts are deleted) just exactly what they are championing. Proudly it seems. Kinks, twinks, sexual discussions with children, the lot. It's so...illuminating.

Folsom Street Fair, perhaps.

https://www.folsomstreet.org/faq

They have a sensible and clear policy:

'Please do not bring children less than 18 years of age to our street fairs; the environment is very much for adults only. If you want to expose your child to alternative sexualities, there are other ways to do it – read a book, watch a movie, or attend a conference. Our gates and security volunteers will stop you, discourage you from entering and reinforce our policy directly with you (repeatedly). Find a babysitter; and, enjoy a day with your adult friends.'