What do whips, spandex and dog masks have to do with Pride?

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They're kinks/fetishes right? Not related to sexual orientation. Also why are they anything to be 'proud' of? Your closest friends would probably find it pretty odd (and stomach turning!) if you told them your OH likes to wear your undies, or what gets you off is him licking your feet... Why is proclaiming what should be personal and private turn-ons to the general public any better? Why should they be glad for you in any way for being so open about it?

The problem is that as you allow more and more straight people who are into kink into the parade you de-value the legitimacy of gay rights in the eyes of the public. The boundaries keep being pushed to the extremes and it risks a backlash.
Throughout 2023, the Public Religion Research Institute,Last week, the Organization released its findings on views about LGBTQ rights in the US. The survey showed for the first time support fell for key policies regarding LGBTQ rights, backing for same sex marriage dropped two percentage points, support for non-discrimination protections dropped four points and opposition to people refusing services based on religious grounds dropped five points.

In San Francisco Pride there was a guy stood in a child's paddling pool and passers by were asked to piss on him, it has no where to go but more and more extreme, and support for gay rights has started to reflect the backlash to this.

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Really? There’s adverts with fetish wear on, before the watershed?

There you go.
theres a time and a place. Nothing about this is comparable.

Some people are so fucking open minded that their brains have fallen out.

Maybe Aida was confusing testosterone with voice.

they were very frustrating threads those. That book was so very concerning. And just as concerning were the people dismissing the obvious messages.

A happy future is one where no one apart from your partner / partners has any reason to take an interest in your sexuality, because whoever you’re attracted to, you get the same respect. at the end of the day, pride isn’t about sex. It’s about being respected no matter who you’re attracted to, and being able to expect the same amount of respect as everyone else? For young kids, that means seeing lots of different kinds of families, and celebrating that diversity. It doesn’t mean seeing lots of different sexual fetishes, and celebrating their diversity. An adult only club or event would surely be the best place to celebrate that. No wonder so many LGBT people are embarrassed at what pride has become.

Your "safeguarding" is more like attempt at censorship, as I guess there is nothing worse than a kid learning that using whips or chains can be fun, and that enjoying it is not something that they will be shunned for, but instead that there is whole group of people enjoying what they are enjoying.

Trying to shame women about safeguarding whilst simultaneously suggesting children can learn (and should?) learn about not just sex, but fetishes is one of the one most disturbing views I’ve seen on here for a while. You are a walking, neon red flag if ever there was one.

There was an experiment in Germany in the 60s/70s where they were following your approach Aida. Children were sexualised early by being educated about sex- adults demonstrated, dc were encouraged to experiment.

It was abuse, pure and simple.
You have no boundaries- that is not the same as freedom.
Sex is not supposed to be a public display. The rest of the world has no need to know what turns you on.

Your "safeguarding" is more like attempt at censorship, as I guess there is nothing worse than a kid learning that using whips or chains can be fun, and that enjoying it is not something that they will be shunned for, but instead that there is whole group of people enjoying what they are enjoying.

Jesus. saying it right out loud.

He's showing us what it's really about. That sunlight again 🥧

Your wife, does that me you identify as a lesbian as well?

WTF is a "transbian"?

A transwoman in a relationship with a woman?

A transwoman in a relationship with another transwoman?

A lesbian in a relationship with a transwoman?

Started reading this thread, and it was immediately obvious that a certain prolific poster is male with male-typical paraphelia.

This.

Kids should/could learn that whips and chains can be fun? Get that so far to fuck.

You’re an absolute creep @AidaP . Genuinely unhinged behaviour. You’re worth the watching.

A man in a relationship with a woman. So plain old boring straight people.

No, just posters here, who cannot mount a ~50+ people rally on 3 months notice

youve got a real thing for numbers of people in a march….its very trumpian 🤷🏻

Yes they do, they are on pride marches

Aida, the poster boy for Operation Let Them Speak.

A man, telling women that they’re pearl clutchers for, rightly, being disturbed that he sees no problem with kink being discussed & displayed around children.

Men who have no regard for boundaries, & then pretend to be confused, offended & made to feel ‘unsafe’ that they can’t enter female only spaces.

I guess there is nothing worse than a kid learning that using whips or chains can be fun

there is something wrong with you

adults doing kinky stuff? Crack on

teaching children about whips and chains? Nope nope nope

So I'll reply to you in good faith.

If a child asks you a question its important to answer, but in an age appropriate way. This doesn't mean being a prude, it's sharing info which they can process.

A primary school child won't understand kink, or the nuances of it, because their understanding of sex and desire will be very limited. As an adult I have my kinks, but as a 10 year old I'd have found whips and chains confusing and potentially frightening because I didn't understand why anyone would want to have icky gross sex, let alone incorporate whips into sex.

And this bit of innocence is important. Childhood is shrinking by the second, and the more time we can give our children to understand what they like and who they are outside of the context of sex before the disruption of puberty the better.

IMO pride should be about pushing back on homophobia and transphobia, and not about validating every niche queer adjacent thing. Honestly being proud of a man in a fur suit or someone being walked on a lead just plays into the hands of the daily mail. No one is stopping anyone from doing what they like in their bedroom, but if we aren't careful we will find that the info on sexuality taught in schools changes dramatically after the next election.

They should be protected, to learn about consent, about respectful relationships, and then find out about that stuff as an adult in a healthy way.

little said it better

What @ADreamIsAWishYourArseMakessaid. Children don’t need an understanding of why adults like to hurt each other with whips and chains before they’ve fully absorbed the message that it isn’t a good idea to hit people with whips and chains generally. To understand why it’s okay to hit people with whips and chains sometimes and not others requires an adult understanding of consent and sexual desire, doesn’t it. It’s the same with porn - we wonder why we have such a rising problem with misogyny - here’s why.

It would be nice to think that Aida’s gone off to have a bit of a word with himself - but I suspect he’s desperately trying to validate his worldview in the usual places, and square that circle of cognitive dissonance!

It would be nice to think that Aida’s gone off to have a bit of a word with himself

I suspect he’s gone to Malaga airport.

There is a difference between prudishness and abusive self-serving imposition of adult quirks on young minds.

its weird and the worlds gone mad for sure.. youll find the majority of people don’t care what people gets upto behind closed doors