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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

arrested at Pride for wearing a sign saying Trans=mental illness

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happydappy2 · 05/07/2025 16:50

Montgomery Toms has been arrested for wearing a sign showing the pink & blue stripes of trans=mental illness.

Arrested. What has happened to free speech in this country?

https://x.com/ESpeaksFreely/status/1941518454466748461

https://x.com/ESpeaksFreely/status/1941518454466748461

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MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:33

TheCatsTongue · 06/07/2025 00:26

How has it been debunked?

Other researches don't agree with his theory. At all. You can't take just one mans view, you need to look at several

TheCatsTongue · 06/07/2025 00:34

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:30

Research will go on into why people are trans, in the same way we discovered more about and therefore accepted gay people. It will happen. Give it a few years. People have been trans through history, it's not going away so might as well get used to it. It may not have always been called trans but if you just do even a Wikipedia search on trans people equivalents through history you will find many many examples

Dr Ray Blanchard interviewed thousands of male-to-female transsexuals and came to well-considered conclusions.

You've said "it's been debunked" without offering any explanation and then put some generic statement that there will be research in the future. The research gets blocked because activists don't want the truth coming out.

There are many high-profile transsexuals like Debbie Hayton who admit to the findings by Blanchard. Are they incorrect then?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:35

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:33

Other researches don't agree with his theory. At all. You can't take just one mans view, you need to look at several

Link some you find particularly compelling then.

TheCatsTongue · 06/07/2025 00:35

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:33

Other researches don't agree with his theory. At all. You can't take just one mans view, you need to look at several

Many researches agree.

I could just say "the Earth being round has been debunked because other researchers don't agree".

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:36

MarvellousMonsters · 06/07/2025 00:23

This is one of the things that annoys me about the pearl clutching of TRAs. No one is saying they don’t exist, or can’t exist, or shouldn’t exist. We are saying they are mistaken, or delusional. As @RunsWithDinosaurs says;

”….perceived is important here. Men who believe themselves to really be women are imagining that they think and feel as women do, but they <wouldn’t know> because they have never been and <can never be> a woman. A woman who believes herself to be a man, likewise.”

Yes, they exist, they are all living breathing people, with mental health issues. They do deserve dignity, support and therapy.

Montgomery, or what ever his name is, is speaking the truth, delivered like a sledgehammer, but none the less true. Is it constructive, maybe not, does it need saying, yes. Yes it does. Caitlin Jenner is a man. Hunter Schaefer is male, and so on. They may be cosmetically surgically altered, but they are not female, and probably just needed a load of mental health support to help them deal with their issues.

I'm sorry but vile people do say vile things that imply this and I can only assume they are from terfs

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:40

Do you think it’s clever or convincing to bystanders to keep using slurs about women campaigning for their rights, @MoodyAndBlue? It’s not exactly original, is it?

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:45

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:35

Link some you find particularly compelling then.

https://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-AutogynephiliaEmbodiment.pdf

I'm not sure if this was the one I was I reading recently but it was the same author and I haven't got time to hunt now because it's late and I'm up at 6.30 tomorrow but there are several who disagree with him

https://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-AutogynephiliaEmbodiment.pdf

Enough4me · 06/07/2025 00:46

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:36

I'm sorry but vile people do say vile things that imply this and I can only assume they are from terfs

The truth isn't vile it's just based on facts. You are perceiving the truth to be vile.
I perceive the truth as facts.

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:40

Do you think it’s clever or convincing to bystanders to keep using slurs about women campaigning for their rights, @MoodyAndBlue? It’s not exactly original, is it?

What slur is that? Terfs? That's what you call yourselves on here all the time

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:47

LOL. Thanks, that’s what I expected.

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:48

Enough4me · 06/07/2025 00:46

The truth isn't vile it's just based on facts. You are perceiving the truth to be vile.
I perceive the truth as facts.

No that's not the way it is put across at all and you know it

Enough4me · 06/07/2025 00:50

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:45

https://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-AutogynephiliaEmbodiment.pdf

I'm not sure if this was the one I was I reading recently but it was the same author and I haven't got time to hunt now because it's late and I'm up at 6.30 tomorrow but there are several who disagree with him

From this article... no, sex isn't assigned at birth it's observed.
I agree with, "Embodiment fantasies" yes, it's fantasy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:51

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:47

What slur is that? Terfs? That's what you call yourselves on here all the time

It doesn’t mean it isn’t a misogynistic slur, just because some women have made a conscious choice and reclaimed it. It doesn’t mean it isn’t abusive or bullying when a gender identity ideology believer uses it about non compliant women.

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:51

TheCatsTongue · 06/07/2025 00:35

Many researches agree.

I could just say "the Earth being round has been debunked because other researchers don't agree".

Right but because some agree and some disagree doesn't mean either is right. Give it more time and it will be more understood that certain people are just a certain way and should be free to be so just like gay and lesbian people. It's all an expression of personality

KnottyAuty · 06/07/2025 00:52

Ddakji · 05/07/2025 18:06

If it’s not a mental illness then why does it (or “gender dysphoria”, to be more accurate) feature in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition?

Quite - the NHS only pays for trans hormones and surgery because it’s a mental illness. If it comes out of the DSM people would have to self fund…

Enough4me · 06/07/2025 00:52

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:48

No that's not the way it is put across at all and you know it

I cannot see past the truth.
You are looking for a way that people can transform into something they are not to match feelings that are not real. No man feels like a woman.

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:52

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:51

It doesn’t mean it isn’t a misogynistic slur, just because some women have made a conscious choice and reclaimed it. It doesn’t mean it isn’t abusive or bullying when a gender identity ideology believer uses it about non compliant women.

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I'm just using the language you seem to rejoice in using yourself!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:56

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:52

I'm just using the language you seem to rejoice in using yourself!

Google what it means to “reclaim a slur” and stop with the disingenuous nonsense please. You’re not convincing.

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:57

TheCatsTongue · 06/07/2025 00:34

Dr Ray Blanchard interviewed thousands of male-to-female transsexuals and came to well-considered conclusions.

You've said "it's been debunked" without offering any explanation and then put some generic statement that there will be research in the future. The research gets blocked because activists don't want the truth coming out.

There are many high-profile transsexuals like Debbie Hayton who admit to the findings by Blanchard. Are they incorrect then?

I think different researchers have looked at his research which was some time ago and come to different conclusions now. These things take time, just like homosexually took a very long but I have no doubt transgender will be understood and accepted to in years to come. I'm off to bed

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:58

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 00:51

Right but because some agree and some disagree doesn't mean either is right. Give it more time and it will be more understood that certain people are just a certain way and should be free to be so just like gay and lesbian people. It's all an expression of personality

The Earth is round, not flat. People can disagree all they like, they’re simply wrong. “Trans women” are men.

MoodyAndBlue · 06/07/2025 01:02

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 00:58

The Earth is round, not flat. People can disagree all they like, they’re simply wrong. “Trans women” are men.

They are indeed men. I'm not disagreeing with that but people who live in a way that feels right for them as an approximation of the opposite sex will always exist and be more understood and accepted. They've always been around . Good night

Zellycat · 06/07/2025 01:03

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 05/07/2025 16:53

I've never heard of him before but what a brave man to stick his neck above the parapet and be arrested for this cause.
Love how he joked about identifying as woman so a woman should search him.
Its just fucking ludicrous isn't it.

NHS … suggests it’s a condition that needs treatment from psychological profession ..

NHS
Treatment for adults
Adults who think they may have gender dysphoria should be referred to a gender dysphoria clinic (GDC).
Find an NHS gender dysphoria clinic in England.
GDCs have a multidisciplinary team of healthcare professionals, who offer ongoing assessments, treatments, support and advice, including:

  • psychological support, such as counselling
  • cross-sex hormone therapy
  • speech and language therapy (voice therapy) to help you sound more typical of your gender identity
For some people, support and advice from the clinic are all they need to feel comfortable with their gender identity. Others will need more extensive treatment.
nhs.uk

How to find an NHS gender dysphoria clinic

You and your GP may agree that you should see specialists at a gender dysphoria clinic so you can consider your treatment options. Here's how to find one.

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/how-to-find-an-nhs-gender-identity-clinic/

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2025 01:03

Reading this thread and just one thought is going through my mind.

I really should put the tablet down and go to bed.

arrested at Pride for wearing a sign saying Trans=mental illness
Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 01:04

They won’t be accepted as members of the opposite sex though, or in opposite sex spaces. The trajectory for that is going the exact opposite way to how you think it will go.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/07/2025 01:06

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2025 01:03

Reading this thread and just one thought is going through my mind.

I really should put the tablet down and go to bed.

I know the feeling!

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