arrested at Pride for wearing a sign saying Trans=mental illness

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Montgomery Toms has been arrested for wearing a sign showing the pink & blue stripes of trans=mental illness.

Arrested. What has happened to free speech in this country?

https://x.com/ESpeaksFreely/status/1941518454466748461

If hateful people didn't keep attacking trans people such as is seen on this board then there wouldn't need to be a retaliation.

...you're defending death threats against women who have been fighting to retain their entirely legal rights to single sex services and spaces.

What's actually wrong with you?

Does there need to be a retaliation?

Sorry @JohnnyLuLus but this actually isn’t true. I know real life fully surgically ‘transitioned’ people who still struggle with dysphoria.

I have personal experience of people who are now much happier living as trans and doing really well in their lives. In years to come this will all be much more understood with further research and acceptance, just as it was for gay people who were bullied, especially during AIDS. Some people were hoping then they would all die out. Times change, people see things differently

I’d say that including everyone weakens the movement. When so many letters are added to the alphabet soup that it just means anyone whose sexuality or gender expression is different to the perceived norm, then the movement becomes meaningless.

And I think perceived is important here. Men who believe themselves to really be women are imagining that they think and feel as women do, but they wouldn’t know because they have never been and can never be a woman. A woman who believes herself to be a man, likewise. And don’t even get me started on non-binary “I don’t think like other men/women and don’t think completely like a woman/man either, aren’t I ever so special?” It’s called having a personality, which perhaps surprisingly, is not determined by your sex and has nothing to do with what gender/sex you really “should be”.

Is there actually a law against being provocative and inflammatory? Surely anyone attending a political protest of some sort is being provocative and inflammatory? Anyone who speaks about their faith in public could be seen as being provocative and inflammatory.

There's definitely something wrong when 11 police officers arrest a guy because he says being trans is a mental illness but all the TRAs with signs literally inciting murder and violence are protected by the police.

There have been a few of those signs which are dragged out over and over on here. Trans people are often told they shouldn't exist on social media etc and have vile dehumanising things said to them. Just leave them be and maybe all this can end. I think it all began because of the backlash against them, why can't people just live and let live. Posey Parker is an awful person too.
Militant Suffragettes were violent too.

I have never ever seen anyone tell a trans person that they shouldn't exist. But I've seen plenty of violent threats being made against women.

Yes because terfs won't leave them alone to live their lives and speak about them in vile degrading term especially on here. I know if bloody fight back.

Again, you're defending death threats made against women.

Just leave them be and maybe all this can end.

Very abuser type language. Very on trend for TRA's.

And what, give in to the footstamping over the clarification of the EQA2010 and just wheesht? No pal. No debate became passe quite a while ago.

Well you obviously haven't been on the likes of twitter then. There are many disgusting people out there and you'd all be a lot happier if there were no trans people, just admit it. It drips off these pages

What, leave them be and all the horrible behaviour between the two sides could end that's now abuser language is it? Just stop being so obsessed with them. There's no need for it

Did I say anything about the EA? If no transwomen ever entered a women's spaces again that still wouldn't satisfy you. It's the law now but you're still ranting on about them

'Horrible behaviour between the two sides'

Uh huh.

And these aren't some randoms on Twitter. The people pictured gurning under that sign are MSP's. Elected representatives.

The photos you commented on were taken at counter protests after the Supreme Court judgement.

The 'the only good terf is a dead terf' posters were displayed because of the clarification of the existing legislation.

Which is that women have (and always have had) a legal right to single sex services and spaces.

But the footstamping continues....

What further research?

Every time someone actually researches it the research gets shut down or told that it is not true.

I assume you are aware of the excellent research by Dr Ray Blanchard?

This is one of the things that annoys me about the pearl clutching of TRAs. No one is saying they don’t exist, or can’t exist, or shouldn’t exist. We are saying they are mistaken, or delusional. As @RunsWithDinosaurs says;

”….perceived is important here. Men who believe themselves to really be women are imagining that they think and feel as women do, but they <wouldn’t know> because they have never been and <can never be> a woman. A woman who believes herself to be a man, likewise.”

Yes, they exist, they are all living breathing people, with mental health issues. They do deserve dignity, support and therapy.

Montgomery, or what ever his name is, is speaking the truth, delivered like a sledgehammer, but none the less true. Is it constructive, maybe not, does it need saying, yes. Yes it does. Caitlin Jenner is a man. Hunter Schaefer is male, and so on. They may be cosmetically surgically altered, but they are not female, and probably just needed a load of mental health support to help them deal with their issues.

Terfs words matter too and there have been some extremely vile ones so don't pretend it's all one sided.

Yes which has been debunked

It wasn't defacing, it was sabotage and quite possilby terrorism. Even if it was 'only' paint then those essential military vehicles couldn't be used until thoroughly checked over. at great expense and time consumed. This happened in an RAF base in the UK, if it had happened at USAF Mildenhall or USAF Lakenheath in the UK then I am sure they would have been shot on sight as infiltrators under US rules and I would struggle to have any sympathy TBH.

How has it been debunked?

Why are you using misogynistic slurs about women on the thread? Can’t you make your non-points and special pleading without that?

Uh huh.

Got a photo of an equivalent poster being displayed at public event with MSP's gurning under it? Got many photos of 'terfs' holding posters with death threats against trans people have you?

Research will go on into why people are trans, in the same way we discovered more about and therefore accepted gay people. It will happen. Give it a few years. People have been trans through history, it's not going away so might as well get used to it. It may not have always been called trans but if you just do even a Wikipedia search on trans people equivalents through history you will find many many examples

Sex change doesn't exist so any change from minor e.g. call me ma'am, to surgery won't fix dysphoria. The body isn't wrong, the mind needs help.
Pandering to delusions doesn't make them go away.