Mumsnet Obsession With Penises

[Manfreglory]

My controversial opinion is that most of the Mums who obsess here over penises, uteruses and chromosomes, would pick more important and interesting topics if their own child was trans.

Is it a buck or a sow?

Mmm. The things I learn on Mn on a daily basis.

Transwomen are men
The word woman refers to biological females
Get over it

Oh dear OP, don't you know that most so-called "trans kids" are just gay?

And that the doctors at the Tavistock referred to what they were doing as "transing away the gay"?

And that Susie Green's ex-husband was so unhappy about the possibility that their two year old son who liked to play with dolls might grow up to be gay that they let him "live as a girl" and took him to the US for puberty blockers at 12 and to Thailand to have his penis cut off on his 16th birthday?

You seem very uneducated about this topic.

A sparpley one really.

The only people obsessing over genitals are the ones convinced that they mean something other than biological sex

It's all so very simple yet people make it all so complicated. If you are a male, then you can't use female spaces. If you are a female, then you can't use male spaces. It's not possible to change chromosomes, therefore, it is not possible to change sex. We separate spaces where people are most vulnerable based on sex alone and that should be respected.

Trans-people, for example a male who identifies as a lady should be free to identify as they choose and wear whatever they choose (as long as not indecently exposing themselves) and the same goes for a female who feels as though they are a man. The constant sniping and mocking about issues that don't relate to safety don't do the cause of women's safety and good.

The mind and mental state of being are two different things, that's why we have mental health and physical health. It doesn't matter how many operations a male has, they won't ever be a female. And it doesn't matter if a female has their breasts removed and a prosthetic penis attached, they will still be a female.

That said, the trans group of people should be able to live freely and without ridicule or harassment. My post is not intended to incite hatred or harassment against the trans sector of people.

Small venues should allow trans-identified persons to use the singular, universal cubicles and larger venues with more space available should have a designated cubicle for people who are gender-non-conforming.

Some of the debate needs to be had but a lot of people have jumped on the bandwagon for their own personal gain.

You do know that no feminist thinks that what type of genitals you have should ever dictate the extent to which you are supposed to conform to sexist gender stereotypes don't you @Manfreglory ?

Well so happy for you because some of us actually have been assaulted by transwomen.

I don't have stats - I'm not sure they exist - but I do think sec workers can be taken into account, UK or anywhere else.

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You are quite correct, transwomen are men and it’s the men part and not the trans part that is the issue.

We don’t want men in our spaces no matter how they identify. We don’t want the nice ones and we obviously don’t want the nasty ones partly because we don’t know which ones are nice.

No one is saying that ALL Transwomen are a threat to women. But your argument seems to be that none are and you must know surely that that is just not true. And it’s not just about a man being a threat, we just want our own stuff without men being present and the EA 2010 allows for that in certain situations. Why do you NOT want us to have those spaces?

So, you're basically admitting that you did pull that figure completely out of your arse then.

Good, we appear to be making some progress.

Lol dont be ridiculous.

One does not equal with the other.
One you just are.
The other is a mental health issue.

One isnt a choice
The other shouldnt be enabled because its incredably damaging.

Ill let you try and figure out which is which. A join the dots activity for you.

Ah yes, the most oppressed group of women... men.

I don't doubt it. But the fact that you can name this person by definition makes it an anecdote and you can anecdotalize literally anything. Does it happen? Yes. Are trans women men? No, they're trans women.

You talk so fondly about your husbands' penises

You what now?

This is getting so many airings recently!

But the fact that you can name this person by definition makes it an anecdote

yeah I don’t think this is how it works 😳

So you are going to give us a blow by blow account about the difference between a man's penis and a transwomans penis then?

Prey tell what makes the transwoman penis so much safer than the man penis?

a blow by blow account

you did that on purpose 😒

As if I'd do that!

😉

I think the special identity is supposed to make it inherently safer. We can't see that, we just have to take it on faith.

I'm confident about this, because the rhetorical style is similar to those internet hucksters who promise men one weird trick that will make their johnson bigger.

”You talk so fondly about your husbands' penises yet if a trans woman has one, it's the enemy.”. The difference, @Manfreglory, is that my husband is not going to go into the Ladies’ changing rooms at the municipal swimming pool, and get his penis out in front of all the women and girls in there. Nor is he calling people bigots for saying that there is no ‘right’ for a male individual to get his penis out in front of little girls.

Women and girls deserve their single sex spaces. I don’t believe this is an extremist point of view - but there are people on your side of the debate who think I deserve to be raped, beaten up or burnt to death in a grease fire for saying that trans women are NOT female and do NOT have the right to push their way into women’s and girls’ single sex spaces, sports, changing rooms, awards etc.

Oh my.

You really do need to do some reading.

What do you think transwomen are, exactly?