Why is anti-trans so important?

[Elizabethbd]

So, I will preface this with saying that I’m not in the UK, and my country does not yet have the kind of anti-trans debate as there is in the English speaking world.

So, I have a hard time understanding why this is such an important question to many women.

Surely there are women’s issues that affect a larger part of society.

I’m thinking rape and violence towards women, homelesness, sex trafficking and honour killings. Why are these issues not more important and worthy of attention, as they affect so many more women than those who come into contact with trans women (or men)?

Ohhhh, maybe Thom Yorker is a terf? He foresaw this….

Shell smashed, juices flowing
Wings twitch, legs are going
Don't get sentimental
It always ends up drivel
One day, I am gonna grow wings
A chemical reaction
Hysterical and useless
Hysterical and
Let down and hanging around
Crushed like a bug in the ground
Let down and hanging around

(Well, he might be, Jonny Greenwood committed the heinous crime of liking a pro women transphobic tweet after all…)

What is the magical difference between a 'straight man' and a 'transwoman' that makes one a threat and one not?

Irrelevant little put down there. Don’t know why you think this person is on a gap year? Or what the issue would be if they were? Or do students just piss you off as well?

How does one tell the difference between a trans woman (man) who wishes no harm from a man who
does?

Isla Bryson, Karen White, Katie Dolatwoski. You are happy with them in your bathrooms? I’ve met the lovely Katie btw. I can answer for you - you wouldn’t.

why is pro-women so unimportant?

Would you like me to explain how replies work?

Reading and comprehension dear, reading and comprehension. Kinsters said

trans identifying men (often referred to as trans women) seem to have an unusually high percentage of "bad eggs" amongst them if you look at the statistics for incarcerated sex offenders in the UK

So, of those Transwomen, already in the prison estate, the rates for sex offending amongst them are (significantly) higher than for the other, boring, kind of men. She did not say that Transwomen were incarcerated at a higher rate. And as for the ‘source’, it’s easy to find, using the Google machine.

@Treaclewell teaching that women aren't as intelligent - by not allowing them education, by teaching that they are a subordinate creation (current Catholic teaching).

That is NOT current Catholic teaching. If you're prepared to tell a lie about that, I have to assume that everything else you post is untrustworthy.

The Catechism states: 240 Man and woman are both with one and the same dignity "in the image of God". In their "being-man" and "being-woman", they reflect the Creator's wisdom and goodness.

www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/catechism/index.cfm?recnum=1835

I mean I wouldn't like to meet Myra Hindley, Rose West or Agnieszka Kalinowska in a bathroom either but you take the risk that the people in there are not lunatics.
With the tiny minority of people who are trans out there I feel its unlikely il encounter a trans woman who is a criminal.
You ask how would I know if it was a trans woman or a man? I wouldn't know but I feel its unlikely a straight man is going to dress as a woman to attack me because he wouldn't need to, they have plenty of other ways to hurt women.

Quite.

Minority of men who don’t want to share with other men as they feel differently about themselves - important! Needs must be met at all costs!

Women who don’t want to share with men who feel differently about themselves and want a space for themselves - Transphobes! Bigots! Budge up!

Make it make sense.

Oh well, you’re halfway there. At least you don’t think they’re women. But you’re still a transphobe based on that I guess.

Women's rights are not and never were about being "anti trans".

What's the difference between a man who is sexually attracted to women and a transwoman who is sexually attracted to women?

Here is John.

On Monday John is a man. He classes himself as a straight man as he fancies women.

On Monday night he shaves his moustache off. And (thanks to AI as not in my instructions) develops a head tilt.

On Tuesday John declares "I am a transwoman and i am now called Jo. Oh and I still fancy women so I'm a lesbian now as well"

Did the moustache hold all the maleness of John within it?

Did shaving off the moustache make him suddenly go from a potential threat to a totally boring nothing to be scared of alone in a confined space with person that can use the women's toilets?

<sigh> It's not even the school holidays yet.

So out of all the problematic women you can really only resort to the default of Myra Hindley and Rose West, whereas women can’t name all the problematic men as there’s so so many.

It’s not even about being attacked. Why can’t women have spaces away from biological males for privacy and dignity. Why do you deem the minority of men who have special identity feelings more important than the women who just don’t want to be around biological men (which trans women are). My male neighbour is lovely, I don’t want to get dressed around him though or piss next to him in a public loo…

I don't think Eolhc1990 is, TBH.

The gap between the words tells me Eolhc1990 sees them as a sort of women, like tall women or red haired women, not a sort of men.

In this Eolhc1990 is, of course, wrong.

...is that you, Shona?

If so, you made yourself look quite the fool saying this shortly before the whole Isla Bryson debacle.

Then it should be no skin off your nose that men use the correct facilities because many other women don't want men in their single sex spaces. As you have no strong feelings about that, there's no reason why you shouldn't support women who do. Why don't you?

I think it’s a real shame you refuse to use a gender neutral toilet since one of the reasons given by trans identified men for refusing to use them is that by doung so they’d be outed as trans - with you and your like-minded sisters’ help they coulduse mixed sex loos with confidence. #bekind

You've chosen three biological women who committed all of their murders alongside a biological man.
I don't think either of those three women, evil as they are/were, would be a threat to me in a genuinely single sex toilet room.

I got the idea from a web site which claimed to be Catholic when I was looking up about why women can't be priests. I was aware that it wasn't mainstream for a number of reasons - addresses of churches which said the mass in Latin for one . I suspect they would not regard the Pope as Catholic, and I am glad to see from your post that current mainstream Catholicism uses Genesis 1 as it's source for teasching on women. But the idea is about. I think they quoted Thomas Aquinas
I shall be more careful in future.

Why is any of this relevant? There is absolutely no good reason for a man, whether or not he believes he identifies as a woman, to be in a single sex space for women.

This is such an ignorant and honestly stupid outlook. So, because of “John,” pretending to be trans, we diminish the rights of all genuine transwomen? Transwomen who have spent years becoming who they want to be? Because people like you think the whole thing occurs over the course of two days and is just a case of buying a dress, a wig, and shaving a moustache? Why is it ok to make such generalised assumptions about one group of people, and not another?

Its not that i dont support them i just don't agree with them that trans women are a threat....and I don't really understand how you expect to police it given the fact that many trans women and cis women (me included) look very masculine. Like how are you going to know? The whole bathroom debate is just weird.