Why is anti-trans so important?

[Elizabethbd]

So, I will preface this with saying that I’m not in the UK, and my country does not yet have the kind of anti-trans debate as there is in the English speaking world.

So, I have a hard time understanding why this is such an important question to many women.

Surely there are women’s issues that affect a larger part of society.

I’m thinking rape and violence towards women, homelesness, sex trafficking and honour killings. Why are these issues not more important and worthy of attention, as they affect so many more women than those who come into contact with trans women (or men)?

anti trans isn’t important and is wrong

what it’s important is understanding how trans rights and sex based rights interact / intersect so that everyone gets a dignified life

and what’s important is ensuring that chikdren don’t make irreversible choices given what we know about trans identifies ( that they are common and usually, probably almost always, short lived in chikdren especially if those chikdren can be kept away from trans-influencers )

none of that is anti trans and it’s very wrong of you to want to be anti trans

The debate is whether women have rights too such as safety, privacy and dignity and protections based on sex. Should governments be relied on to uphold these rights or undermine them by removing the discriminations based on sex by replacing them with gender (Spain, Norway and Germany for example)?

The reason this is portrayed as anti trans is that if sex based protections exist and gender based protections aren't legally allowed to overrule them, then male people of the woman gender who don't want to use the mens, have to campaign for mixed sex facilities and they don't want to. They want to use the womens but they can't and that makes them unhappy as now they feel their women gender is not being respected.

Most women find that very sad for them but not sad enough to make all womens facilities mixed sex, as this means many women can't then use them and these facilities are meant for women and not for male people with woman gender.

Was just coming to post the link and yes, I agree.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

On the small off chance that the OP isn't yet another Redditor here on a sortie or has somehow missed the entire debate on how women's rights are being eroded, then I suggest OP that you have a wee read through for background.

Thank you to everyone who has replied!
I feel that I finally understand the issue.

And

Not anti trans.

Pro women

Pro facts

The protected characteristics in the Equality Act are amazing.

Every person in the UK is included (probably by multiple PCs) within the act. I’m covered by sex, age, disability etc etc.

Trans people are protected by sex and gender reassignment (as well as any others that may cover them). Both hugely important to them.

It's not about 'trans' people. It's about women's rights.

Women's rights are created in law.

'Trans' or 'gender' activism and ideology aims to undermine or remove the definition of 'women', mostly by including males in that definition.

If the concept of 'woman' is expanded to include men, women will lose all the rights we have fought for. These offer us safety, privacy, and dignity, as well as ensuring we have for example, the ability to meet in groups without males being present.

The legal issues will differ depending on what country you're in. The UK is generally tolerant and has robust protections for 'trans' people.

Wrong thread

While you’re here op, what convinced you that a self selecting group of men should be considered women on their own say so and that anyone who disagreed was a terrible bigot?

Why are trans rights activists so anti women?

I really think engaging in these constant bad faith questions is not helping - it bumps the thread up in the active, giving the impression that it is a real issue.

Is there a thread explaining these issues that we could link to when yet another of these 'questions' are posed in niaive terms.

I am fully aware that posting this is doing what I'm moaning about :(

What is it that you now understand, if you could explain?

@Waitwhat23 @Igneococcus Apologies - you've already done it! Agree that it should be posted at the top of thread - how do we do this?

I think there’s a fancy Latin name for this logical flaw, or should be:

I think A is more important than B. Many people think B is important. Therefore anyone who thinks B is important thinks A is not important.

Sigh.

Imagine, if you will, that the Spanish Inquisition has time-travelled to the modern day and, as a result, the UK government has passed the following laws:

At least a pretence of belief in the doctrine is mandatory, on pain of punishment.

Children must be taught it as fact.

All laws must be based on it:

For example, abortion and contraception are illegal, as is homosexuality, and women are excluded from positions of influence in the faith and thus in society.

Is anyone who campaigns against this a secularist or anti-Catholic?

Actually, on reflection, both you and I have chosen examples of ideologies the practice of which harms everyone except adult straight men (🤔), so maybe I am both anti-Catholic and anti-trans.

The thing that makes my views non-hateful is that I don't want people banned from adhering to their non-truth-adjacent beliefs, as a matter of individual conscience. I just don't want them imposed on the rest of us. I don't hate people, just bad ideas.

I hope that no Catholics were psychically harmed in the making of this post.

What was your understanding of the issue before posting here?

”I’m not in the U.K.” = “I’m on a gap year in Nicaragua”

Again, thank you to all posters. My intention was to gain information, not to engage in a debate. I won’t engage in this debate further, primarily because I don’t have an opinion to defend.

I’m thinking rape and violence towards women, homelesness, sex trafficking and honour killings. Why are these issues not more important and worthy of attention, as they affect so many more women than those who come into contact with trans women (or men)?

Are these instances of rape, violence, sex trafficking and honour killings doing themselves? Obviously not, they’re a direct result of women coming into contact with men. Because when you say ‘ … they affect so many more women than those who come into contact with trans women (or men)’ you linguistically remove the perpetrator of those offences against women and girls. Why would you do that?

2/10.

Must try harder.

Jesus. Another one of these threads. From barely (not at all ) disguised TRA’s. Go away.

I think this op might actually just be thinking

rare I know but it does happen

🥱

But whhhy are women’s rights so important?

why do you keep expecting to be treated like actual people huh? Just stop going on about it!

The fact the question is always asked this way round gives you the answer.

Are trans women ever asked why it's so important for them to be in female sports? Why aren't they focussing on much more important things like violence and poverty?

Seems like it's only female people who are asked to give up "unimportant" rights.