Why is anti-trans so important?

[Elizabethbd]

So, I will preface this with saying that I’m not in the UK, and my country does not yet have the kind of anti-trans debate as there is in the English speaking world.

So, I have a hard time understanding why this is such an important question to many women.

Surely there are women’s issues that affect a larger part of society.

I’m thinking rape and violence towards women, homelesness, sex trafficking and honour killings. Why are these issues not more important and worthy of attention, as they affect so many more women than those who come into contact with trans women (or men)?

Is this a joke?

Women need to be able to be defined as a sex class, in biology and in law.
without that basic foundation none of the other stuff you mention can be tackled.

I'm not anti-trans, and neither are a lot of the women here. We just don't believe that transwomen are women, which means they shouldn't be in our physical or metaphorical spaces. Transmen would in most cases, for most of us, be absolutely fine.
We can't fight for ANYTHING for women unless "woman" is an actual thing, not just an idea in a man's head.

I’m thinking rape and violence towards women, homelesness, sex trafficking and honour killings.

Would this stop if they identified as men?

No because it's affects women as a sex class not as a feeling of feminity.

Women's rights are so important. It's obvious why. We fight to preserve what we have fought so hard for.

There's nothing 'anti-trans' about it.

I won't engage further.

Google Isla Bryson.

This. [ETA: was meant to quote @frenchnoodle - and then got confused as frenchnoodle had done two really good and important posts and didn't know which to quote so screwed up.]

Challenging sex discrimination (in all fields) depends on being able to define sex categories objectively.

And if the categories become defined by gender stereotypes, then we're back to the 1950s.

Women are concerned about losing their sex-based rights. It's not about being anti-trans.

What does “anti-trans” mean to you Elizabethbd?

Another bored student?

What country are you in @Elizabethbd ?
Why do they pay so little attention to women's rights?

Transgenderism is only important to feminists (the kind that centre female people) in so far as it impinges on women’s rights.

If male people stay out of single sex spaces, stop taking women’s sporting medals etc. there’s no problem.

Anti trans isn’t important and never has been.

This is the feminist board though so the focus will always be pro women (including trans men, as they are still women obvs) and their rights to single sex services, spaces, safety etc.

As trans women are actually men they will be included when we discuss the threat posed by men to women’s rights. Nothing anti about any of it.

Buckle up, OP.

I am not sure this thread is really genuine but okay

1 there's no anti-trans debate in the UK. The debate is about allowing trans people to be legally treated as women which can have notable disadvantages for actual women.

2 It' sokay for women to care about more than one thing at a time. I absolutely hate the idea of female circumcision, child marriage, domestic violence etc. I can care abot those things AND about trans people over riding my rights at the same time.

3 There is a disturbing intersection with many of the issues you have flagged such as domestic violence and violence against women and girls when it comes to trans issues. Unfortunately, there's a not insignificant part of the so-called trans community who appear to be trans becuase they want to make things harde for women or to have easier access to women.

What country are you in?

These issues - rape and violence towards women, homelessness, sex trafficking and honour killings - are important, and can only be tackled by knowing what women are.

If men are going to be put into the domestic violence shelters alongside women, if raped women have to accept treatment from men, if there are no women-only homelessness hostels, if the vulnerability of women to trafficking and 'honour' killings cannot be assessed because the law does not know what women are - then women have a problem.

If equal pay, equal access to services and opportunities cannot be measured, assessed or enforced, then women have a problem.

If women in hospitals, including mental hospitals, are at risk of assault by cosplaying men in allegedly single-sex spaces, then women have a problem.

First answer nails it.

Surely there are women’s issues that affect a larger part of society.

It's hard to think of a more basic issue than the one that tries to declassify 50+% of the population, Elizabethbd .
As other posters have said, if you can't define yourself as a woman, or define what a woman is, you can't campaign for women's rights.

I tend to stick to the simple core point: it is impossible for humans to change sex, so transgenderism is founded on something that is incorrect.
That's not anti-trans, that's pro-fact.
It doesn't matter how many trans men or women you actually come in contact with - it's a matter of fact, not of personalities.

Even if trans rights did not impinge on women's rights - which they clearly do - that wouldn't change the basic point that human sex is binary and immutable, so transgenderism is based on a mistaken concept.

That doesn't mean that trans people don't exist, or that we should hate them - people who believe that the earth is flat exist, and I don't hate them, and they should have all the human rights that any other human is entitled to.

But they are factually incorrect, and if they started campaigning to have things like language or the legal system changed to assert that the earth is flat, or to have school curricula changed so children were taught that the earth is flat and not an oblate spheroid, they'd be resisted as energetically as trans ideology is.

I hope that helps you understand 'why this is such an important question to many women.'

I'm not from the UK either, and when I see the courage of women in the UK who are taking a principled stand on this subject, I wish we had the same level of pro-women activism in my country - yours too, perhaps?

Not prioritising trans people in all ways at all times is not the same thing as being anti trans people.

Saying other groups of society have rights and needs that are equal to those of trans people is not the same thing as being anti trans people.

Why is trans so important?

What @RoyalCorgi said.

I think the "let me break it down for you" thread should be pinned to the top of the thread list.

First, define "woman".

Oh man, not another one of these.

’rape and violence towards women’ how can you begin to fix this when rape, assault, and so forth can be recorded as committed by females with a dick? Or when females with a dick are allowed into, or work for, rape centres?