BBC presenter corrects pregnant people to pregnant women

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https://x.com/journalismseen/status/1936513585082970489?s=46

and with a splendid eye roll to boot 😁

Well done! There was a slight smile on her lips as well.

Another difference was that MC asked HH sensible questions that might in principle have had sensible answers (I often think I could do better than TRAs do in these situations, and I'm not even a believer).

Whereas the WEC was all 'when did you stop beating your wife?' (and inadequately briefed).

Or 'non men' (Green Party, numerous occasions) @Waitwhat23

Sorry what? That's actually terrifying.

I am not anti trans but I am pro women and appalled at the erosion of women in language.

Love Martine for thiis.

Non-men also includes boys as they are not yet men.

Me too. It's become apparent over the past few years there is nothing women do or have for ourselves that men won't try and commandeer, and it gets right up my nose.

I've heard Nurses say they absolutely refuse to ask big butch hairy tattooed men if they could be pregnant for fear of being assaulted. I'm not surprised.

HH was massively provoking Martine in a personal way, with the repeated comparing of HH’s feelings about not being considered a woman with how MC would feel if told that. She didn’t take the bait and say Yes but I am an actual woman” which must have taken a will of steel.

I remember a similar thing when Paris Lees was being interviewed by Nick Robinson and kept demanding “well do you think I’m a woman?” - for want of being able to engage with actual arguments and sophisticated questioning. NR just said “it’s not about what I think” (as opposed to ‘yes of course Paris” a la Emma Watson) and Paris was stumped. Forcing people to toe the line via shaming and fear is all they have. They have insisted on no debate and now they can’t debate.

Maxine Croxall: Rebel Without a Pause.

Absolutely right, only women can be pregnant in the biological sense of expecting a baby. Everyone knows that and it's ridiculous to say otherwise. It's all going too far!

Good

It says 'people aged over 65' which is very different to people over 65 are aged.

There's also the disparity between male and female health care. Prostate Cancer UK received a query as to why they don't use 'those with a prostate' and replied (entirely sensibly) that although they use such language on the various pages on their website, they use the word men on campaign materials in order to avoid confusion by using clear language.

Whereas, as per the Scottish Government's radio campaign I referred to up thread, the word woman wasn't used at all. Just 'those with a cervix'.

And when the NHS started updating the language on their Web pages to be 'more inclusive', it was the women's pages edited first.

I followed Martine on Twix after she kept the pressure up on a distressed TW after the SC judgment. She kept asking questions that he kept dodging and refused to let him off lightly. Great to see some fightback from within the BBC.

Oh God "we are pregnant" is awful.
When I was pregnant, a nurse said something like "you and your husband are pregnant". I said "Im pregnant but I dont think my husband is". The nurse just looked at and my husband said he didnt understand why I was upset about it. I pointed out that it was me doing the work, it was my body, it was me who was having to not eat brie. He was actually insulted! I still dont think he "gets it".

It's like women are supposed to be "clever enough" to know about their anatomy and men are so stupid that they couldn't possibly use 'trans inclusive' language in regards to the prostate in case the men get confused.

Either that, or trans identifying women stick to what is typical of their biology and don't make a fuss, so no one is bending over backwards for them.

Yet trans identifying males have a conniption at the idea they don't have a cervix and consider it hate speech. Lol

Edit: to make it clear. I think it is all a load of absolute nonsense.

Sadly, according to the trans activists, if you are pro-women that makes you anti trans.

See the thread on the silent vigil for Afghan women being interrupted by a local councillor who identifies as trans screaming that the women were transphobic and ‘Nazis’.

See also the thread on the Lesbian Picnic event in London that has trans activists on the thread openly threatening to turn up and disrupt it and also are busy reporting them to the police and the London Authority to try and get them shut down.

The trans activists demand 100% capitulation to their demands, women and our rights have to be fully subjugated to the demands of men. Interestingly within the trans community, the interests of trans identifying females (transmen) are also secondary to men who identify as females. It’s all about the menz.

Do you eye roll too?

I get what you're saying, and I do try to view things from 'the other side's perspective because I know I am biased towards the GC view. But I think there are important differences between the two scenarios.

Trans activists often make false claims that go unchallenged on mainstream media, e.g. about suicide risk or what the law actually is. HH did it in the interview by mentioning Trump and when Martine (calmly) asked him to explain what he meant he couldn't and tied himself in knots because Trump had nothing to do with the SC judgement. So what is it that TRAs would find hostile about the interview? The fact that she pushed back on the claims instead of unquestioningly accepting them whilst nodding sympathetically?

Whereas, at the WEC session, Sarah Owen was undoubtedly rude in her tone. She cut baroness Faulkner off when she was talking about her ill treatment at the hands of activists. And whilst Baroness Faulkner clearly knows her stuff, Sarah Owen hasn't even bothered to read the judgement, so not only was she rude, she was ill-informed as well. It was unprofessional conduct for a chair.

Just no need to say whether or not you support T people. It’s okay to support someone who calls out this pregnant people stupidity without prefacing it with your stance on T ideology.

Ahh excellent. As soon as I’d watched the clip I thought ah, I LOVE her!

And I do, but then I thought jfc, is this what it’s come to. Any woman or man who supports sex realism in any way, we are immediately woo hoo yes! I hate gender woo and what’s it done to people.

Thank the judges for the SC decision, thank the judges. For, as Douglas Murray said, telling us something our species has known since we first came down from the trees.

Story aside, bit miffed that you’ve just referred to the Magnificent Maxine as “a BBC presenter”! She’s fabulous.

Agree 👆 She was one of the female presenters who took the BBC to employment tribunal about unequal pay for female members of BBC staff.

Wonder if she’s here somewhere?

I just say something like “so we’re agreed we need to think about pregnant women?” I don’t use the terminology

The written quote does, yes. But Martinez read out “the aged”, presumably from the autocue, which is a bit different.

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