Why is this subforum so intent on removing voices that dont' agree?

[BeeSouriante]

Like I've had three posts removed

100% depends on what you're saying and how you're saying it.

3 removals suggests you're breaking talk guidelines.

So a male poster who wants women to take notice of their entry into spaces where women can talk, while admonishing women for rejecting the premise that male people can ever be women?

I think that was obvious.

I remember when there was a general consensus amongst FWR regulars not to report MRA posts so that they would stand as a record of the malevolent shite sort of things being posted. I don’t know if that remains but it always seemed a pretty good idea to me - I prefer to be able to form my own opinion about people based on their own words.

It is quite interesting how that has appeared in posts censuring women’s discussion by new posters over the past few days.

It was bound to be one or the other 😬

There’s been a definite influx though

And also, I've seen far more robust posts on other boards (AIBU being the infamous example) but it's only here that women are told that they are mean when faced with yet another diatribe of 'you're all anti trans bigots!!!' from someone whose critical thought processes go no further than 'TWAW. No debate'.

Specifically, people who believe that they have the right to be safe from other people's opinions but not that women have the right to be safe from men don't like that.

The fact that you have replied to a commenter asking 'why YOU are restricting my voice' suggests you don't know how the forum works.

If you want to challenge a removal, you need to ask admin, not us!

• Women would be listened-to if they expressed themselves nicely.

• It's kind to use wrong-sex pronouns if somebody wants you to.

Yeah, "I feel there's a lot of naiveté in your post" could be an appropriate response.

OTOH

• Teenage girls stood be allowed to have elective mastectomies because clownfish/it's kind/adult women get breast-reductions.

• Trans-identified men should be allowed to use women's toilets because it's men who rape, not the special sacred caste of men.

• Men should be prioritised over post-mastectomy women for breast implants, because the women's lives have been saved from cancer but the men are very upset.

"You are very ignorant" is an excessively polite and understated reply.

I think most of us let posts stand because of Operation Let Them Speak. It means that everyone can see what's being said and can comment or challenge it. If such posts stand then the poster can't hide behind 'I said something completely innocuous and was deleted for it for no reason!!' (which is essentially the basis of this thread) - it's there for all to see.

Yes, I almost never report anything on this subforum for exactly this reason.

Some people seem to want and expect the right to repeatedly insult women without us having the right to respond.

Men have tried to control women through shame since the beginning of time. It’s getting a tad boring now.

Agreed. Though just occasionally some of the fine women here prefer to call a spade a bloody shovel.

Haven’t you got anything better to do? 🥱

This is a board which is dedicated to women's rights and feminism. Why in such a space would you think that what males want or the fight for male's sexual rights would be privileged in any special kind of way?

On reddit where pretty much every sub for women has been invaded and captured by males who choose to identify as women who then turn every space which was meant to support women into a space for trans hug boxing, women are frequently banned from their own subs for essentially speaking the truth.

You come on here then and break clear rules that are laid out for all to read and then you complain when you break them and have your posts removed? You are free to disagree here but you aren't entitled to any special privileges.

Yes, I find deleted posts frustrating. On the other hand, the moderation here does tend to encourage well constructed arguments and discourage abusive slanging matches. I very rarely report posts, but I do appreciate the discussions not usually descending completely into people shouting past each other.

I'm guessing you're more used to Reddit because you talk about sub-forum, which is not a term used on Mumsnet. I'm also guessing you've never spent any time on any other part of Mumsnet. What you are describing is not behaviour you only see here, it's standard behaviour across the whole site.

Poster A says something obviously silly. Poster B replies saying as much. Posters C, D, E and F were all typing at the same time and reply in similar terms a few seconds later. The thread moves on very fast, but ten minutes in Poster G reads the OP and replies saying much the same as Posters B to F. Give it half an hour and Poster H will do the same thing. Ten years later Poster Z will do it too, even though the thread is by this time nearly 1000 posts long and everyone originally involved is long gone.

The original subject of the thread could be absolutely anything, e.g. 'Nobody really likes fruit, do they?', 'All Americans are thick', 'I'm going to leave my 13yo son on his own for a week while I go on holiday with my new boyfriend, that's OK, isn't it?', 'I do X with/for my child because I am a good responsible parent and I don't understand why other people do different things', 'Dogs are better than cats'.

Welcome to Mumsnet.

This poster talks about a 'cult', which is quite informative.

I remember when all this were fields and we got deleted for using the word 'cult'. Also 'peak', or any discussion of hill climbing.

Any sign of OP?

Just shit and run, eh?

for whom?

Toxic to the "oh i can't handle any view that 100% matches my own"? Do you think that all the TRA subreddits are a non-toxic space for anyone who believes that you can't change sex?

If you see posts that go against the guidelines, report them.

I also have noticed over the years just how many times it is mentioned
that posters expect to be treated gently when they express their opinions. That they should be able to express their opinion and be very gently told they might have been mistaken gently and any negative comments they have made about posters should just be absorbed by the poster and not responded to. Because these few posters seem to consider themselves righteous and therefore deserving of the respect they demand but don’t give, because the other posters are worthy of those negative comments.

I have come to suspect this is due to Facebook style moderation of groups where a person mods a private group according to their own biases. And therefore any post perceived as negative is to be deleted but if it is a righteous poster, then that poster can fire away at negative remarks without censure.

It is a bizarre phenomenon when you pick it up. But it happens occasionally. It is like those who declare that if only you answered in a nicely worded post then I would have read it. But you weren’t nice so I didn’t bother reading it.

Lol.