Why is this subforum so intent on removing voices that dont' agree?

[BeeSouriante]

Like I've had three posts removed

The grip on reality there really is not good at all. Another illustration of the issues with constructed personal realities that are then protected from actual reality.

So, you are right, the board is well moderated and by professional mods.

You then use a falsity to support your argument though.

No posts that provide an alternative viewpoint are ever 'removed'. The only time they are removed is when they fall outside the guidelines. So, if any post is removed it is not because they have provided an alternative viewpoint, it is however likely that they have personally attacked others.

Any posts from regular posters that personally attack others are also deleted. See how that works? So you declaring that posters providing alternative views are attacked, is probably hyperbole that you have added to your falsity to claim victimhood for those who are being deleted for their behaviour.

And it also probably says something about your personal definition of 'attack' that doesn't represent the reasonable definition that MNHQ has to use for their moderation policy.

Do you report them?

Some TRAs really do use the most revolting imagery. I can’t imagine why I wouldn’t want to be in a vulnerable space with this particular person.

Posters who say they disagree with us, never say what it is they actually disagree with. They just say that they disagree and there no point arguing as they will just get piled on/accused of being a man etc.
So what is it that you disagree with?
Do you think women shouldn’t have any single sex spaces?
Do you think women should be competing against men in sports?
Do you think children who are autistic and/or possibly gay should be encouraged down a path of lifetime medication?
Do you think women should be locked up with rapists?
Do you think women who have married men should agree that they have now become lesbians once their husbands transition?

So again, tell us what it is you disagree with.

Any comment on this by the posters who say that the women on here create a toxic environment?

If only 1% of the effort that went into posts complaining they aren't allowed to make the opposing argument actually went into making an opposing arguement!

Come on JsmeLegie, buck that trend!

Given that you obviously know biologically female people exist and are different to male, and presumably would not claim that being biologically female has not historically and still today lead to significant social constraints and risks that are specific to being biologically female, why is it so important to the TWAW crowd that women (in the original sense of female people) should not be allowed their own sex-specific rights, spaces and protections, not even allowed the language to speak of hiw being female impacts their lives for good or bad?

Why is it that they will only accept trans women being respected and protected if it also takes rights, protections and language away from women?

Explain to me not why trans women want what they want, but why female people cannot also be recognised for the challenges we have and our needs, voice and existence as specifically and permanently female people be respected?

I've got to admit, I have found Mumsnet far more tolerant recently of views that don't conform to 'right think ' and I applaud that. I think you just have to be careful there's no direct accusations etc. so best to put " I feel there's a lot of naiveté in your posts " rather than "you are very ignorant" if you get me

In the old, wild west days of Internet 1.0, the advice to new posters to a forum/board were to read the posts and answers for a few hours/days to get a feel for the place and how the rules are applied.

And only then to post.

@BeeSouriante do you know what you said in the posts that had someone complain and that they were removed?

Why? Is it because women should be polite and subtle, rather than straightforward and assertive?

Nail on head.

They are so used to environments where people with opposing views are simply banned, that they have no idea how to talk to people with opposing views.

Then they come somewhere like Mumsnet, where they get frustrated because they don't have any compelling arguments to counter opposing views (having never had to do so before), and so they resort to insults.

And then they think their posts are being deleted for their opposing views themselves rather than because the way they are expressing them contravenes the site rules.

No. What I'm getting at is one may break the talk guidelines: i.e 'personal attack' because you're saying "you are... (..)" . Look I'm trying to help here. But I'll trot off if you're not interested.

No, i think you are right…its certainly what i would try and do

Blimey! Literotica is that way > if he wants to write his sissy porn fantasies

I don't entirely disagree with you about how posters could phrase their opinions. All too often, however, assertive women are described as shrill, hysterical, or plain nasty, because they are breaking with the feminine stereotype and expressing themselves in line with a masculine stereotype that is looked upon positively in men. There is a societal demand placed upon women to express themselves only in ways that do not upset others. But sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

What is going on why are we getting a sudden rash of TRA’s on here?

is it because they think they can round us up to agree with them with their well constructed arguments?

Are we all going to rush around and create a lobby group for men should be able to use women’s spaces?

Or are they just venting at us because of course it is our fault that the judges determined the law re biological sex?

I also think that the regular posters on here rarely report posts as we want the posts to stay up so everyone can see what the opposing view posters say. I’ve never reported a post.

Agreed. Every so often there are requests (demands sometimes) that Mumsnet adds Reddit type features - downvoting or blocking the posts of posters you don't like/disagree with for example. There is a deletion to report posts here but there are proper moderators and actual guidelines instead of the Challoner wild west of Reddit.

That's because this is an actual discussion forum where you might see posts you disagree with and if you say something unsubstantiated or sweepingly without merit (i.e I disagree with the 'prevailing view' on here without actually explaining why you don't believe that women have the legal right to single sex spaces and services) then you will be called out on it and you can't just block/downvote/no replies them.

And some people really don't like that.

I think that’s true but Tbf we’re also only human and when we get the eleventy billionth person coming here to scold the silly mummies with “what about intersex???” & “my lovely TW friend” I don’t think it’s surprising responses get robust

GCSEs finished this week

Good idea. I should.

I'm GC but that doesn't mean I should just scroll past hypocritical breaches of the Ts&Cs

I thought the poster who started this might be a child but his Reddit history suggests he's an older middle-aged man who started pretending to be a woman around a decade ago.

Good idea. I should

how did you think posts would be deleted if you didn’t report them?

If you want to pretend you have naively wandered here and are posting in wide-eyed good faith, it helps not to use words like sub-forum which rather give you away. HTH.