Why is this subforum so intent on removing voices that dont' agree?

[BeeSouriante]

Like I've had three posts removed

I want to post what I want to post, know/ have found out it’s against the guidelines, but you all have to listen to me, because I’ve said so…………can take an educated guess as to the content of your removed posts. Maybe have a look, reframe them away from breaking the guidelines, and repost…….

I think it's to do with a belief that anything pro political gender ideology agenda should always be a special exception to all rules. Boundaries are That Word That Apparently Means Everything.

It was this thread.

I was the poster who told someone to fuck off. The post i was responding to wasn't a link to info but a comment that it was the OPs fault that she was exposing her genitals to the man on the ward. The OP was immobile in bed.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/5356798-transwoman-on-womens-ward?utmcampaign=thread&utmmedium=share

I’m trying to find recent studies on women being primarily responsible for the majority of non sexual child abuse out of interest. Does anyone know the studies being cited?

Though I completely agree with @FlirtsWithRhinos that

There's a difference between a woman in a supposedly woman-only space with an unknown man, and a child subject to abuse from their caregiver… They aren't equivalent situations, so I can see why a poster using the fact of non-sexual child abuse to try to score points against women wanting to maintain woman-only spaces would not go down well or raise suspicions of bad faith.

That sounds like another attempt at a gotcha argument.

If I remember it was something taken out of context as a gotcha and used to leverage allowing male people into female spaces.

If some people find that a compelling argument then I guess they will think it interesting. However, it was an empty gotcha

I've no idea of specific studies - but as child abuse covers a range of situations including neglect, emotional abuse, physical abuse as well as sexual abuse the majority of these referrals / investigations will inevitably refer to the home / family. And the majority of children live in homes / families with mothers / women carers.

Is this not one of those nonsense allegations designed to derail the issue? A bit like the desperate "because women take their toddler sons in to swimming pool changing rooms, middle aged men in a dress must be allowed in there as well?"

The title and the subtext seemed to be 'don't overstep and campaign for or not for non-white women's issues'.

And then of course non white women get blamed for not campaigning for non white women's issues.

I think it was the telling off confusion that caused a ruckus on that one. If you are going to tell people off then be clear about what it is they have actually done.

I remember. It was a really nasty thing to say to the op on what was essentially a support thread on the feminist board.

Years ago, I saw a stand up comic who was very young looking and made a lot of jokes about it. He said that he liked to go to parks, flash strangers, and THEY would get arrested. Not in the best taste, I guess, but it was a joke.

I'm reminded of it by all these TRAs who say that if a woman objects to men in her changing room or hospital ward, then SHE is the genital obsessed sexual degenerate and pervert. Except these people aren't joking.

I'm so making that!

Agree @Helleofabore and @MrsOvertonsWindow that definitely sounded a gotcha argument but I thought I’d still like to see the evidence such that it was.

@Shedmistress that was an old thread and I didn’t RTT though didn’t see the original post as a telling off (later ones maybe were) but it was an interesting one in that on the one hand, the Op, as a non white muslim woman, seemed to be thanking ‘white feminism’ for opening the doors so to speak. So seemingly a positive thread. However, on the other, it was strange to title the thread white feminism as that seemed unnecessary. Posters were (too) snarky though I could see why there was confusion because why not just thank the women who fought for women’s rights regardless of ethnicity end of?

Having read the above comments I think it may well be possible that the poster in the trans thread had a history of some kind. I know it's not uncommon for people to post in bad faith or ask faux naive questions to try and catch people out.

The other thread I linked with the Muslim poster talking about white feminism was about people 'removing voices they don't like'.

I doubt if the post was deleted just because it said that women are the majority perpetrators of non-sexual abuse of children, because I engaged in an exchange about exactly that on a thread a while ago, and nothing got deleted.

I can't find the posts I'm afraid, but I remember finding UK stats that showed that the difference was not very significant, and women are less likely than men to abuse children over a certain age. It would be ridiculous to say that no women are violent, or that no mother ever mistreated her children.

It is entirely accurate, though, to say that the vast majority of sexual abuse of children is perpetrated by men.

I think I also made the point that as the carers of young children are almost always their mothers, it is statistically likely that women will be over-represented in the stats - if either parent is going to harm a small child, it's more likely to be the parent who is caring for the child, and that is usually the mother.

So just saying 'women can be non-sexual abusers of children' is unlikely to be deleted, it has been debated already without deletion.

Thanks @MarieDeGournay i wanted to make this point

As a derail again (apologies) does anyone have a good simple elderflower cordial recipe? And even better, an elderflower champagne recipe? Some friends years ago made elderflower champagne, I’m pretty sure it was just fresh elderflowers and sugar, maybe some lemon, but the yeast on the flowers made it fizz in the bottle. Delicious!