Why is this subforum so intent on removing voices that dont' agree?

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Like I've had three posts removed

The amount of times I have been reported because I used the term ‘male person’ is laughable. I say to them ‘report away’ and it must infuriate them because the posts don’t get deleted.

I much prefer this old style forum with light-touch moderation (responding to reports only, rather than constant watching). Any Reddit style changes would have such a negative effect. I hope it never happens.

The transuk sub on reddit has 62k members, and most of the threads have far more likes than actual comment.

So i suspect someone coming on here will just expect to make a comment, and generate lots of likes/dislike but no challenges.

And as PP say, we dont have an designated answer-er of the TRA, so lots of people will challenge the comments by TRA. Often before seeing others comments. Or reading the whole thread.

Ive seen posts deleted in seconds, so i think there was, at some point, threads monitored in real time. I dont know if that was mn policy or an enthusiastic mod?

Nobody is removed for disagreeing. We have a handful of people who pop up all the time telling us women can have penises, men can be lesbians and asking men to use the gents' is an act of fascist oppression and their posts still stand. You're allowed to talk utter balls, you're just not allowed to be abusive with it.

“And as PP say, we dont have a designated answer-er of the TRA, so lots of people will challenge the comments by TRA.”

Ah yes, the accusation of ‘pile ons’ because some makes a comment and people respond to it. While at the same time we are told that there are only 6 of us, or ‘just small number’… The story changes depending on the accusation. Either there are a small number or it is the attack of the sock puppets (which is against MNHQ guidelines) piling on with distinct and unique answers that disagree with the poster.

either way, the regular posters are in the wrong.

@CuriousGeorge80 I am a qualified lawyer with in-depth experience of equality law.

Well then, surely you have something useful and informed to add to the discussions about trans rights? What trans rights do trans people not already have? Is there any way that they can gain those rights without taking rights away from some other group? Genuinely interested in your thoughts, but can't guarantee you won't get pushback about any proposals that would reduce women's rights.

Some words and phrases get auto-deleted. Links to certain sites, for example, usually because they want money (e.g. crowdfunding).

I report them! And they are always left to stand.

Because the mods are not fair in their application of the rules.

I think they do watch some threads in real time, presumably if they get a lot of reports about a poster or if there's something going on in real life that MNHQ know is going to get a load of comments and threads.

Can you link us to an example?

CuriousGeorge80 ·I know there are plenty of people on this board who engage on the topic with integrity, and I also know there are others who do not.
Sounds normal for any place where people discuss stuff.

.. it can sometimes be toxic and unpleasant
Ditto. Discussions occasionally get out of hand🙄

I choose not to engage much in the debate on the topic on mumsnet because it can sometimes be toxic and unpleasant.
Your choice, but declining to engage much with debates that 'might sometimes get toxic or unpleasant' eliminates an awful lot of interactions - Brexit must have been a nightmare, and then there's VAR, and pineapple on pizzas...

Seriously, though, I don't recognise the alleged 'toxicity' on Feminism: Sex and gender discussions. There is definitely a 'parti pris' i.e. the scientific fact that human sex is binary and immutable, and anybody who argues the contrary is going to be met with the same kind of reaction a flat-earther would get in the Royal Geographical Society - mostly polite, a lot of eye-rolling and some ill-tempered 'Oh FFS don't be ridiculous, how many times does science have to prove to ill-informed idiots that the earth is in fact an oblate spheroid?!'

I've noticed that it is often when asked to engage in reasonable debate based on verifiable facts from reliable sources that the 'You people are a hate-filled echo-chamber. There's no point in talking to you. I have better things to do' - the 'toxicity door-slam' as I call it - takes place.

I'm not on Reddit or any other SM, but I am told that if you seek toxicity, that's the place to look around, and Feminism: Sex and gender discussions is only in the ha'penny place in comparison

Suckling on the penis????

Unhinged male voices there. Bit confused about “suckling” vs “sucking” perhaps.
Wouldn’t expect a man to know what suckling means I guess.

Vile.

@JsmeLegie “Where it becomes an even bigger problem is when the worst offenders attempt to obfuscate their behaviour by claiming it is feminism. It isn't.”

Feminism is about campaigning for equal rights and equal treatment of female people. It is about fighting against male privilege in society. The clue is in the root of the word.

It’s not about fighting for inclusion of men in women’s spaces, or anywhere else they would like to be. It is about recognising female disadvantages that arise from our sexed bodies and how the world is built around the male as the default human, and demanding better treatment.

Reported 😊

A specific post or the whole thread?

It's a joke. Caaaalm down.

No, I'm not spending my work lunch break copy and pasting posts from other threads here 🙄

They pop up on most threads. Just use your eyes 👍

I expect they go to another school

It would be helpful to see an actual example so we can understand why you think the specific wording used is against the talk guidelines.

For example, I would imagine that something like, "trans people are mentally ill" would be against the rules, whereas "gender dysphoria is a mental health condition" would not.

Why? They're both saying the same, accurate, thing.

Don’t bother then. But don’t expect everyone to take your claim at face value either.

Not sure how everyone else is supposed to search random threads for posts you might have reported but are still there? Do they have a little flag saying “reported by Silverbelles” next to them?

Because it's against the rules to make negative generalisations about trans people themselves, but OK to discuss mental illness in a more general way.

It's quite nuanced.

I'm pefectly calm, thank you.

Think we all need an ice cream🍧