Why is this subforum so intent on removing voices that dont' agree?

[BeeSouriante]

Like I've had three posts removed

And user1471453601, you left out the bit about previously calling us all mean girls, whilst posting about the things said about you.

The posters on this forum do not make the rules. We regularly have posts removed too. You don't get special rules.

If someone starts a thread which breaks talk guidelines & attacks trans people in general then MN will remove it. The deletion message will state it is due to breaking talk guidelines.

I think the issue you have here is that the policy is being applied fairly (or as best they can depending on posts being reported) and Trans supporters have got used to having a special protection when it comes to their views which is wrong.

I think you are struggling to cope with the grown up adult world where you are not being constantly protected from hurty feelings & not used to having your views challenged.

It will be a good learning curve for you. I think you will mature alot from regularly engaging with this board - it's a very different experience to reddit.

The site isn’t moderated equally. Mumsnet does have a position on stuff and moderates it accordingly. On the trans issues I would say it over moderated agaisnt those who were opposed to trans rights for a period of time, then it re-read the room and shifted the other way. I say that as somebody who barely gets involved in trans discussions and have never been moderated on them.

I have however had a post removed on a different matter where a small number of people were bullying the OP horribly; I called them out. My message was deleted (I swore at them, so me being deleted was fair enough as I had breached the guidelines). But they didn’t do anything to the bullying posts / posters at all. So I don’t think mumsnet always moderates fairly or accurately. If somebody reports a post mumsnet really should take a second to look at the wider context before responding, instead of look at the one post in total isolation.

You might find it helpful to read up more on this - your characterisation of people in this board as being ‘opposed to trans rights’ is wholly inaccurate and may have coloured your concept of fair moderation.

You may want to start with the basic facts:

No one can change sex
Sex is important in some situations like medicine, sport, jobs and facilities
‘Gender identity’ has no real and fixed definition and relies totally on stereotypes.
Trans people have the same rights as the rest of us - most of their common demands are privileges which impact negatively on others.

Trans supporters have got used to having a special protection when it comes to their views which is wrong.
I think you are struggling to cope with the grown up adult world where you are not being constantly protected from hurty feelings & not used to having your views challenged.

When you are used to having your own way all the time, any attempts to redress the balance will feel like censorship and oppression!

You can't have an opinion on biological facts, OP. That's not an opinion it's nonsense.

It’s basically not true though

This

You know what they say about equality feeling like oppression when you’re used to privilege...

The rules are applied to everyone. We get deleted and banned when we break them too. Rather than whinging that you’re being censored, perhaps consider how to make whatever point you want to make without breaching the Talk Rules. It really isn’t that hard.

Can we please note that defending women’s rights is not “anti” trans.

It’s the idea that we should not indulge an individual’s body dysmorphia (or even the pretence of it, in the case of rapists who suddenly say they’re women) in law and public policy where it can harm girls and women.

Yes, there's a parallel thread on a certain subreddit right now.

Ooo do share some highlights

Ah, I hadn't made that link. The thread with the deeply moving and often heartbreaking personal stories from women about their life experiences. But it wasn't centering men so we got a scold.

Actually LOLed at that 😆

Really? We were told most confidently yesterday that saying there had been some cross posting from reddit was just a conspiracy theory and we were all just conspiracy theorists.

Yep that’s the one. I was the person who said they should be fucking ashamed but someone must have reported it as it got deleted.

Like when we're told that we're ridiculous for saying that there are misogynistic monitors who screenshot posts here to take to other sites despite there having been actual interviews with men saying they do just that.

Were they posts that 'don't agree', really? Or were they something entirely different?

Ask MN and report back eh?

The board is moderated equally. To the talk guidelines.

You might have a different sensitivity point to what you consider bullying behaviour compared to what MNHQ consider reasonable, but anything you see you should report and let them decide. But if the post isn’t deleted, then maybe it is your personal definiton of bullying that is the issue rather than the standards that MNHQ use.

And I am sure you already know this but, the women discussing their needs for their single sex provisions and children’s needs to be prioritised over gender identity is not us being ‘against trans rights’. In fact, many people on this board will confirm to you that they support transgender people having the same rights as every other person. It is the additional privileges that have been demanded and sometimes granted that then conflict with the provisions for female people and children that is main focus.

You'll have to ask MN. It's not people on the forum doing it, only MN can.

yes. And you know, potentially, and I am making a general comment here, it could even be one of the same posters who told us we were ridiculous then. As they regularly do tell us how ridiculous we are.

And if it is indeed 'anti trans' in someone's opinion, then they need to face that their beliefs are anti women's rights, anti women's equalities, and that coming on to a women's rights forum and trying to require that women indulge this without argument is possibly a little bit.... silly.

The fact that this thread is standing as well as evidence on multiple threads indicates that no one posting within the guidelines is banned or deleted whatever their views. I wonder how a woman with sex realist views would be treated on a TQ forum? Would it be with attentive interest, respect and acceptance of anything said so long as it was within the same posting guidelines as MN holds?

Always the demand that women tolerate everything, that they suck up the inequality of the TQ movement. And much pouting when they won't.

I don't think this forum does remove posts that simply don't agree with the general consensus. I've reported posts that aligned with the general consensus but went beyond reasonable concerns and were spiteful for the sake of it and they've been removed. I've also seen plenty of respectful, well-considered dissenting voices remain.

I broke my rule to comment on this thread, but I don't post on FWR as a rule, primarily because I disagree with the general consensus regarding trans people. It's a waste of everyone's time and causes unnecessary aggro - perhaps why your posts are getting deleted?

Just step away from the forum; you'll be glad you did 😅

Given that that poster put their self righteous scold on the second page after many posts from women describing heartbreaking stories meant that your post was entirely correct. Obviously hit a nerve though.