Do you support transitioning at all?

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I somewhat do, I will admit. I think it's okay if an adult wants to take hormones, dress as they'd like to, be treated as M or F, or even change their name. I'll respect it all. However I don't agree with them being allowed into single sex spaces or conversations (a gay trans person is functionally a straight person, despite what they say, and a gay FtM shouldn't try to date gay guys for example).

I question if this is a common view or is it niche in these more gender critical spaces.

And where do you stop? Speech and language to address vocal issues? Facial gender treatments? You can never get there - it is unrealistic and people should be told so. All operations and medications are risky. Look at the number of trans people with disabilities and living with pain due to surgery. We should absolutely be cracking down on this.

That is the literal definition of conversion therapy. So yes, I cannot wait until we ban it so no other trans person has to go through that torture.

I am not going to put myself through that pain just to prove a point. Too many of my community have already had to, I know people who have and it broke them. Years of therapy is not need to undo that torture they faced that was so called conversion 'therapy'. Anyone who endorses this kind of practice, knowing how barbaric and cruel it is should hang their heads in shame.

Being trans isn't something we do because it's fun and trendy, we do it because there isn't another option. Do you not think if we could make these feelings go away we would choose that option? Unfortunately, that option doesn't exist and pretending it does isn't helping anyone with dysphoria. For us, transition is harm reduction. It is not perfect, but it is the closest we will ever get to feeling right in who we are.

Frankly, how dare you say we should keep the amount of trans people to the bare minimum. If you said that about any other group you'd be recognised for how appalling that statement is. We are not something to be kept, we are human beings.

Also, I am in a long term relationship with a straight cisgender man. We are both straight, and you do not get to define our sexuality for us.

Actually trans people do get there. Some of us don't, but a lot of us can blend into society and basically forget that we're even trans.

It's not all about you.

It's about all the vulnerable young people who have been fed a lie by the TQ+ lobby and believe that transitioning is the answer to their problems.

And I'm sorry if this upsets you, but I think it is entirely reasonable to put all trans identifying people through that, because making a small number of people wait a little longer to harm their physical bodies is a perfectly reasonable and proportionate course of action to protect the majority, who deserve an opportunity to change their minds and live whole, undamaged lives.

Your and your partner are in a same sex relationship and there's nothing wrong with that.

Lots dont, especially the men who transition later. But it's the women who want to become men who seem to suffer particularly. I read recently that breast scars are particularly painful. One doctor in America is on record saying "if you change your mind you can get them put back" ie yet another surgery, another body modification. It is treated as a minor procedure when actually it can be hugely debilitating and painful.

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It's not about you imposing your beliefs onto people.

Transitioning quite literally is the answer. That's why the NHS does it.

I am in a heterosexual relationship, and there is also nothing wrong with that. I am a woman, he is a man. That's heterosexuality, you don't get to define other people.

Well that's great then if you're able to self fund it. I would love to have laser treatment for my hirsutism caused by genetic PCOS issues but I don't have the money . I could do with some loose skin removal surgery for when reach my goal weight. So I understand a bit about what it's like for you wanting something that could enhance the quality of your life a bit. But quite rightly it should not be funded by NHS, it is difficult enough for the NHS to afford care for critical illnesses and life limiting disabilities.

Honestly, this is a demand that has been created by unscrupulous doctors in the US who have dollar signs in their eyes and are milking insurance companies dry to pay for their golf club memberships and holiday homes.

Then the vulnerable people they are exploiting for money in the US go on Reddit and preach to vulnerable people in other countries, who then demand access to the same snake oil surgeries, and the NHS ends up picking up the bill.

People are just telling you what you want to hear.

Including your partner who would rather identify as straight than admit that he is attracted to men.

Heterosexuality is being sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex. You and your partner are the same sex.

Transitioning solves absolutely nothing, which is why some people detransition, and why the risk of certain adverse mental health outcomes actually increases in post op trans people.

And it makes sense. You can't fix a mental health problem by butchering a perfectly healthy body.

The pharmaceutical industry should be working on developing a drug to alleviate the symptoms of dysphoria. Unfortunately they're not. Partly because the party line at the moment is that trans people should be affirmed rather than discouraged from transitioning, but mainly, I suspect, because people who do take hormones and have risky Frankenstein style surgeries are a lot more drug dependent (and therefore more profitable for big pharma).

Untreated dysphoria is life limiting. Before I was able to start hormones I was a wreck. Now I'm a successful woman with a loving partner.

He isn't attracted to men.

Please don't make me say it...

Transitioning solves a lot, not everything, but a lot. That's why it's recommended by gender identity specialists. It's also not butchering to medically help people.

There is no pill to make dysphoria go away, just like there's no pill to make gay people go away. The LGBTQ community is not a group to be made to go away, we're human beings with thoughts feelings and emotions. You cannot get rid of us as much as you may want us to.

Nobody said go away or to get rid.

Just don't come into women only spaces or sports if you're a man. Bugger off.

You're lying to yourself.

Straight men don't have sex with trans-identified men. Ever. They just don't.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being in a same sex relationship, as you are. The reality though is that you cannot expect other people to play along with your 'heterosexual relationship' lie.

You were both born with penises. That's a same-sex relationship and not a heterosexual one.

Good thing trans women aren't men then

A woman and a man in a relationship is a heterosexual relationship. You don't get to define other people's sexualities.

Why can't you accept that other people matter too and you don't have a right to control others.

Gay people and trans people are different. Homosexuality for example is seen within the animal kingdom, but no animal is "transing" its gender. They (trans people) transition because of outside influences, it isn't a natural thing.

I am guessing it was worth you paying the cost for them then, if they've helped. Do you mind me asking if you had to pay for more drugs to offset the side effects though ? I have a friend who is thinking of transitioning MTF, he isn't a wreck, he has a good job, though no partner and I have tried to talk them out of it, from concern about side effects. I don't want him to die young or him lose the good mental health and nice life he has (nice apartment flat and job) if he gets sick or depressed.

No.

For one, I see no proper medical diagnosis available to ensure that the correct people get treatment or are affirmed / socially transition. I see no evidence that transition benefits the people who transition.

For two, and this is as important if not more so. I believe that some trans people are simple predators, using "trans" as cover for their predation. I do not support their transition for obvious reasons. Other trans are autogynephilic or transvetite fetishists. I believe it is deeply immoral for those poeple to transition and involve others in the paraphilias either, so that I do not support their transition. They need to role-play with likeminded others in private places, or even better they need mental health support to suppress their unhealthy sexual urges, not least as paraphilias cluster and the more an autogynephile delves into his paraphilia the more likely he is to end up paedophilic as well.

The final group is those with some sort of mental health issue, and I do not support transition to affirm delusion or reduce the symptoms of mental health issues (not least because I have no evidence it works). We do not cut limbs off of those who feel they have one leg too many, for obvious reasons. Why should trans be different?

For three, I genuinely believe that the right of the 99% to quickly and subconsciously assess the sex, age and strength of those around them for reasons fo safety and procreation is a human right, whereas the right to hide your sex and deceive people is not (and it is only 1% so why roll over for them). I genuinely believe that people who have transitioned in society (even if they do no other harm) have a small but significant negative impact on the mental health of the rest of us when we pass them and are unsure (as sometimes happens)

Gender dysphoria is a mental health condition. Being gay is not.

Gender dysphoria is more comparable to depression. If scientists can develop drugs to alleviate the symptoms of depression, there is no reason why they can't develop a drug to alleviate the symptoms of gender dysphoria.

I don't want to get rid of you. I want you to be able to live a happy, healthy life as the sex you were born, without feeling the need to harm your healthy body in a fruitless attempt to make it "match" your state of mind.

Good thing trans women aren't men then

What are they then?

It's not about control. Language matters. Words have meaning. And sexualities have long since been defined, I don't need to do anything on that front.

I don't have to and I refuse to accept your lie that two males are in a heterosexual relationship. It's abject nonsense. It can never be true.

You cannot make me, or anyone else, play along. Sorry 🤷‍♀️.