Helen Joyce finally makes it to Women's Hour today from 10am

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Just saw this:

Helen Joyce @ HJoyceGender
Morning all! Guess where I'm off to this fine day - Broadcasting House to discuss the @ ForWomenScot judgment, 4 weeks on, on @ BBCWomansHour! Do listen in. I'm looking forward to debunking some shocking disinformation, and reminding an astonished world that Women Have Rights Too

https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/1922534653166006316

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Yes, I know I put "Women's" instead of "Woman's" in the title

Helen was fantastic. I actually think it was OK for the presenter to keep putting Robin's points to Helen, because we could then see very clearly who had reason, logic and the law on their side.

So did I and I think that that hasn't happened enough for the last 10 to 15 years and I'm really glad that it is happening now, however, I just think that people would understand it better or accept it more if it were acknowledged that it is difficult for a transperson who is used to going in the toilet of their choice and believes they pass (whether they do or not). And
Will now have to use the toilet of their sex. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it.I'm just saying that it is an adjustment for them.And some of them , for example , my twenty one year old transidentified female step daughter will be really anxious about this, And will stop going to certain places , perhaps many places that they would have previously gone

I saw a post recently on X where someone was claiming a "TERF" had screamed at a pregnant woman in the toilets saying I hope that's not a male foetus.

Room for both, surely Beetle

Yeah, I'm sure that happened 🙄 (the screaming. I can believe you saw the x post lying about it, sadly)

Helen was splendid. I will listen again on Sounds.

Now the presenter is wanging on about a gender equality index (and doesn’t think to ask about what they mean by men and women)….maybe it will come later.

It is simple though. Everyone had a sex. Everyone knows their sex. TRAs not liking reality doesn’t make reality complicated. I have no doubt that TRAs will kick up a fuss but it is they who are making the situation difficult and not Helen.

Unfair - I'm not and cannot be a mother. I don't know about the presenter.

You don't have to be a parent to understand this.

To be fair you can't see the whole room in that image

How many more years before Helen makes it onto Newsnight, then?

that post was a joke, and acknowledged as such by the poster later on.

A good interviewer should challenge a point of view. Nuala challenged RMW on Monday by asking questions from
one perspective.

Today Nuala asked questions from the other perspective allowing HJ to respond to RMWs points.

I think Nuala found today more difficult because one perspective does not stand up to scrutiny.

Helen was magnificent, clear and unambiguous. I expect a lot of TRAs will be raging.

WH is doing the right thing allowing both sides to put their point of view. Yes, they should have done this years ago but the fact they are doing it now is seismic in terms of how the SC judgement has changed the conversation. “No debate” has been banished.

Helen didn't bluster or try to change the subject. She answered every question and explained her reasoning, with reference to the law. She remained calm when accused of being an awful unkind meanie.

I actually wish she'd been less restrained when faced with the embarrassing "gotcha" of boys with their mums in loos. I mean, how much more evidence do you need that Robin and his larping chums have never wrestled a pram, a toddler and shopping bags in a cubicle, whilst having to change sanitary protection?

What a joke! Shame on women’s hour!

If they're female they can go in the women's toilets

Haven’t caught up with the whole thread yet so this might have already been mentioned but I’m certain I heard Nuala clearly refer to Robin as ‘he’ at some point. It was very telling. Absolutely no one believes this crap. Will try to listen back and find it.

Poor Helen. I bet she's contemplating hitting the gin at the nearest pub.

That was such a frustrating listen.

But, trying very hard to pretend I don't know what I know, I reckon that's going to come across as absolutely bloody ridiculous by the presenter.

I would love that conversation to have gone on - about children. The presenter said what age?

Do people really imagine that babies and toddlers can be left outside the door!! And there has to be a cut-off age. But to spend even a nanosecond discussing it is such an obvious red herring. It couldn't be more irrelevant.

And actually, I think the panicked drawing it all to a close at that point will have quite the impact.

Mothers pushing prams everywhere this morning are going to be tightening their grip ever so slightly.

Going out of your way, out of your bloody way, no less, to use babies, toddlers and little kids as a means of getting middle-aged men into spaces where they're getting undressed and going to the toilet??

As I said before, score!

It really was a misstep to end it right there. The presenter with the lid of Pandora's box in her actual hand, and all manner of crap flying out

Only caught the last 5 mins off to listen on catch up.

That presenter was terrible, trying to suggest that organising need guidance on what age little boys should be allowed in with their mums.

Are men identifying as little boys now, is that what she's trying to suggest?

Presenter was an Absolute transmaid airhead.

Yes, you heard right!

Rollstar she did.

How strange! There was a MN post about this too (as in the poster's 'friend' had this happen to her...). It's almost as if it's a load of baloney made up by someone with an agenda.

I think Nuala referred to him as "they" at one point too.

Helen made it very clear that it is not up to women to make life (even) easier for men. This is up to the trans identifying men and non-trans-identifying men to sort out between them.

Agreed. I don't have kids but have never ever felt any kind of response to the sight of a mum with a small boy in the loos. It's just completely normal to women.

Once again the maleness of TW just radiates through. They just can't help themselves.

Obviously yes , that's not really the point I was making.