Cisgender lesbian forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man

[Christinapple]

This isn't the first time this has happened is it? I expect IMHO there will be more cases like this happening given the current obsession with trans people and how masculine or feminine people look.

https://gomag.com/article/hotel-guard-barges-into-womens-restroom-accuses-lesbian-guest-of-being-a-man/

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/07/liberty-hotel-boston-bathroom-lesbian-trans/

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/same-sex-couple-demands-answers-after-hotel-security-threw-one-out-of-bathroom-thinking-she-was-a-man/ar-AA1Eh00e

"A woman and her girlfriend were thrown out of a luxurious five-star hotel after a security guard allegedly accused her of being a man using a female bathroom.
Ansley Baker and her partner, Liz Victor, were at the Liberty Hotel in Boston, Massachusetts, attending a Kentucky Derby party on Saturday.

The couple was using the women’s restroom in the foyer when they heard a bang on the stall doors, they told CBS News Boston.
Baker said she was in one of the stalls as Victor waited around the corner near the sinks. The hotel says that security was alerted by several women that the couple was sharing a single stall. Baker and Victor deny being in the same stall.
The male security guard allegedly began urging Baker, who was born a woman and identifies as a woman, to get out of the bathroom and accused her of being a man
“All of a sudden there was banging on the door,” Baker told the local news station. “I pulled my shorts up. I hadn't even tied them. One of the security guards was there telling me to get out of the bathroom, that I was a man in the women's bathroom. I said, ‘I'm a woman.’”"

Oh, you look gorgeous and very contented, @Boiledbeetle - sorry, I mean @Hawaii!

<blushes>

Thanks 😘

Well, you know, I'm personally rich, I'm single and I'm a glorious American state.

Contented?

Damn right!

1975- “Lesbians look like men” said the homophobe.

2025- “Lesbians looks like men” said the progressive.

I wish they'd remove more men from women's spaces and events in the U.S...where trans identified men seem to get far more leeway than lesbians/ women.

These things will happen now and then, though, until normality is fully re-established and expectations fully understood. The U.S has a lot further to go......because it is there that it all began, and where things are most extreme, most crazy, and most fevered.

Of course she had!

We are so lucky on here. The number of people who are friends with lovely, gentle, 5'2" transwomen who completely pass in real life, 6' bearded transmen who sing bass and could bench press a Toyota and people with unspecified DSDs... What are the odds?

Nooo, it wasn't a setup! Butch lesbians are being incorrectly evicted from toilets ALL OVER THE PLACE, all the time!

It's so incredibly distressing for them, especially after having the slowest pee in the history of womankind, that they have to immediately grant interviews to convenient reporters, when they make a special point of telling the world "Trans women have to put up with this all the time".

It's tough being a lesbian 😭 "I was crying and shaking" said Ansley, showing that she hadn't been coached in any way.

This is desperate stuff from op

So we keep the ones with short hair and ties out as well as the ones with long hair and eyeshadow. What's your point?

What makes you think we can’t do both? What makes you think we don’t campaign for both? This is a feminism board interested in advocating for females.

You just don’t want to discuss this issue, so I suggest you go and do something else.

Other people do want to discuss the issue, and you have no business scolding and finger wagging and telling us that we shouldn’t be interested, and we are somehow bad people for being concerned.

Yes, some posters are certainly very persistent on this board, despite pretending they aren’t transactivists.

Doh, that’s because there are not many transwomen compared with numbers of non-trans identifying men. What you actually need to compare is rates of offending between the two groups.

And when we do that, we find that there is no difference in the pattern of male violence or voyeurism type offences. And we also find a higher proportion of transwomen prisoners than men are in for sexual offences.

So they are no different to other men in that respect and should not be in our single sex spaces that were set up for our safety and privacy and fucking dignity.

There is so much store set by transwomen feeling “comfortable “ in the toilets, why should female biological women not be afforded the same consideration?

Where the hell was all this whataboutery over the last decade while women's rights were being systematically dismantled top-down? How come no guardian angels were swooping in then trying to persuade Stonewall, Amnesty International (fuck's sake, if anyone had a more important cause you'd think it would be them), the Government and everyone else to use their clout and resources instead to help all the other causes that are apparently so much more important than transgenderism?

Well you could look at the best performing countries in the world for women in the major international surveys eg Women, Peace and Security Index, and The Global Gender Gap Report. Then you would see that, for both, 8 of 10 of the best places in the world to be a woman also, according to you and to Mumsnet FWR, apparently don't know what a woman is (have policies of gender self ID)

My exact same reaction!

Never mind visiting the UK, is there any evidence that @Christinapplehas visited reality?

I literally cannot read those pics, but whatever they say: good for those countries? Who I'm sure are culturally exactly the same as the UK...

Back to the UK, though. How do you, in the UK, care for "women’s health and futures" if you can't even define the word "woman"?

And how does one adjudge the quality of life for women in those places, when some men are women in those places?

OFFS! Not this pile of misapplied, irrelevant pseudo statistics again!

Why don't you ask the countries at the top of those tables for women's wellbeing and equality with men to see what they're doing, as clearly they are doing something right?

They are at the top of those tables and have stayed at the top of those tables for years, despite having policies of gender self ID.

If those countries have gender self ID then any stats produced concerning women's wellbeing and equality with men is technically worthless.

How can they know, when they can't tell if the woman is a woman woman or a man woman?

Garbage in garbage out.

If there are any transwomen who fall under the bracket of 'women' in the data compiled for those countries this will drag down the outcomes for the overall category of women, as it is well known that transwomen, as a demographic, have poorer outcomes on measures of health, wellbeing, education, economic participation, income etc.

So even impressive then, that these countries are rising to the top of the tables for countries for women's wellbeing and equality with men.

"Why don't you ask the countries at the top of those tables for women's wellbeing and equality with men to see what they're doing, as clearly they are doing something right?"

You're asking the wrong side to do the work. It's TRAs who should be asking those countries what they are doing, since it's TRAs who want self-id like in those countries.

In the meantime: how do you, in the UK, care for "women’s health and futures" if you can't even define the word "woman"?

You can't know that.

The data is corrupted by including men in the women's stats and women in the men stats

It's all bollocks.

😂 Yes that's right, all the major international studies on women's wellbeing and equality with men, cited by governments, women's rights groups and national health bodies worldwide, are all "bollocks" because they don't fit in with myopic obsession of FWR. 😂

No, not because it doesn't fit in with waffle waffle but because it is corrupted data.