Cisgender lesbian forcibly removed from toilets by male security after being wrongly accused of being a man

[Christinapple]

This isn't the first time this has happened is it? I expect IMHO there will be more cases like this happening given the current obsession with trans people and how masculine or feminine people look.

https://gomag.com/article/hotel-guard-barges-into-womens-restroom-accuses-lesbian-guest-of-being-a-man/

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/07/liberty-hotel-boston-bathroom-lesbian-trans/

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/same-sex-couple-demands-answers-after-hotel-security-threw-one-out-of-bathroom-thinking-she-was-a-man/ar-AA1Eh00e

"A woman and her girlfriend were thrown out of a luxurious five-star hotel after a security guard allegedly accused her of being a man using a female bathroom.
Ansley Baker and her partner, Liz Victor, were at the Liberty Hotel in Boston, Massachusetts, attending a Kentucky Derby party on Saturday.

The couple was using the women’s restroom in the foyer when they heard a bang on the stall doors, they told CBS News Boston.
Baker said she was in one of the stalls as Victor waited around the corner near the sinks. The hotel says that security was alerted by several women that the couple was sharing a single stall. Baker and Victor deny being in the same stall.
The male security guard allegedly began urging Baker, who was born a woman and identifies as a woman, to get out of the bathroom and accused her of being a man
“All of a sudden there was banging on the door,” Baker told the local news station. “I pulled my shorts up. I hadn't even tied them. One of the security guards was there telling me to get out of the bathroom, that I was a man in the women's bathroom. I said, ‘I'm a woman.’”"

I wonder if anyone has those crime stats to hand? The ones that show that members of this 'less damaging' group are more likely to be in prison for sex offences than other males?

We used to all be aware that paraphilias cluster... some people have worked very hard to try to get the public to forget this.

So because it doesn’t come close we should just let it happen, and not protect the women who are affected by it? Because those women don’t matter as much as the trans identifying men who are constantly trying to breach women’s boundaries? Nice try.

I mean, it's really not all that surprising, is it?

A male person who is in a female only space has already disregarded women's boundaries and right to consent by being there.

So it's not a massive stretch to think he's more likely to disregard women's boundaries and right to consent in other ways.

Rightly or wrongly, I feel safer around men who don't try to access women's spaces than I do around the ones who do try to access them.

Doesn’t matter who is more or less safe if the policy is ‘use the facility where you feel most comfortable’.

No men can be excluded.

Trans identified men in the English prison estate are 3 times as likely to have been convicted of a sex or violence offence than the male prison population at large. Keeping trans identified men out of women's loos sounds like a fucking good idea to me.

Interestingly, you don't explain what you actually said. Sounds to me like I got it just right.

Stats here - seems that the most vulnerable group ever to have walked the earth are not quite as vulnerable as they’d like everyone to believe sex-matters.org/posts/updates/what-did-we-learn-from-the-census/

This can't be said often enough.

If we can't exclude your lovely trans woman friend who wouldn't hurt a fly, we also can't exclude Karen White, Katie Dolatowski, or any random man for that matter.

There's no purity test.

Either you exclude all male people, or you have to roll out the red carpet for any male person who wants in for any reason.

It’s still men harming women but you believe this particular subset of men should just be given carte blanche?

Also, the volatile and threatening behaviour shown by trans protesters has shown just how aggressive they are.

I've found it really scary seeing how they scream at women during some of those protests. Aggressive men through and through.

I am all astonishment.

Hi Boiled.

Tell me please, on being challenged, did you ever lift your shirt to display your breasts?

Any other women here done that?

Are the women who do this some odd kind of exhibitionists? It seems more likely a man who’s grown oestrogen moobs would do this. They seem to quite often, including in inappropriate situations like visiting The White House.

You've been posting on this forum for a long time Christinapple so you'll know from being told repeatedly that gender critical British feminists aren't coming from the same place as Donald Trump.
I'm going to say the same thing I always do. If you genuinely want to support trans people, you'll be better served by engaging in good faith instead of mudslinging.
As the reaction to the SC judgement has shown, people aren't falling for it anymore. Start listening. Start debating in good faith and we'll all find a way forward a lot faster.

What a load of old bollocks.

No! Either pointing to my name on my hard hat or turning and having my face and bosom, under many layers of clothing usually, in their eye line or I don't know just opening my mouth and saying I'm not a man used to do the trick.

Although I'll be honest a lot of the men I worked with did go on to see my naked breasts, but that's for a different thread!

Has @Christinapple ever been to the UK, do we think?

This entire circus show is distracting everyone from the very real issues cis/trans women and trans men face.

Indeed, and thank goodness we've now had legal confirmation that men's "identities" don't grant them access to women-only facilities AND NEVER DID.

All the men can fuck off to men's spaces and leave women to get on with the work of achieving parity with them.

He probably thinks we identify as a US State.

Can I have first dibs on identifying as Hawaii?

Only if you make a picture of yourself in your loud-print shorts and lei.

While we’re talking about harm and what women should be campaigning about, I think it’s worth mentioning that the Supreme Court has confirmed recently that for the past 15 years, women’s hard won rights had been significantly undermined, through stealth and lies, and had self-ID passed and the Scottish Government got its way, women’s rights would have been permanently removed.

This would have meant that women suffering domestic violence could never have been guaranteed a safe, female only space to escape to.

It would have meant that women who had been raped could never have been sure they could get help where it was guaranteed that there are only women present.

And it would have meant that any criminal who had the foresight to self-ID as female before he was caught, would have been guaranteed to have been assessed as a woman and allocated automatically into the women’s estate. He would then be housed with his chosen victims, who would have no chance of escape.

How much harm do you think we have prevented by stopping that from happening? I think it’s quite considerable. It may not be your pet campaign, and yes that might be worthy of more attention than it’s getting. But losing our legal right to single sex spaces is massive, which is why so many women are fighting it.

I don't think he's ever been inside a female changing room or toilet if he thinks butch women are such an unusual sight in them. Probably thinks we have pillow fights and compare tampons too.

Wut?
Most women are pretty finely tuned to spot a bloke at 50 yards: it's a survival mechanism, because some men pose a significant threat.

I can remember watching an interview once, and the two interviewees were Julie Bindel and Jane Fae.
Julie Bindel: short hair, zero make-up, no jewellery iirc, in a white shirt and manly jacket, moderately butch.
Jane Fae: carefully coiffed, lashings of make-up, earrings, lots of clinking bracelets, flowery pastelly-pinky clothes, very feminine posture and use of hands etc.

It was instantly obvious which one was the woman.

And while my loathing of the term 'cis' doesn't decrease, yes, this whole bloody farrago has been drawing women away from other things we'd like to be campaigning for - because defining what a woman is is critically important to any other feminist campaigning.

Which is another reason why transactivists desperate to get in women's spaces massively piss me off.

Deal.

Oddly enough, the butch lesbian on Chris’s last thread had been given a tampon by her ex in a loving display of friendship.

There’s an awful lot of odd things occurring in both cases, including the fact that, on both occasions security was called, which must have taken some time, but on both occasions the women were still urinating by the time they arrived. They must have really slow bladders or something.