Sturgeon: SC ruling risks making trans lives "unliveable"

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/06/transgender-peoples-lives-at-risk-of-being-made-unliveable-says-nicola-sturgeon

“It certainly doesn’t make a single woman any safer to do that because the threat to women comes from predatory and abusive men.”

You don't get it, do you Nic love? I don't have enough eye-rolls for the idea that trans-identified men are never predatory or abusive, especially in the face of so much evidence to the contrary.

"The former first minister and SNP leader added that it is not “inevitable” that the judgment will make the lives of transgender people “impossibly difficult”, but there was a “danger” that certain interpretations could put transgender rights at risk."

What rights? The SC ruling clarified the law as it is and always has been, which is that trans people don't have the right to treated as if they were the opposite sex. Or does she just mean "It's really unfair that they're going to have to abide by the same rules as everyone else rather than demanding special privileges"?

Let's be honest. Nicola wants someone to kill themselves to make her look right.

That's how twisted this is.

Responsible politicians don't say shit like this.

Of course life is liveable still. You just don't get to use women.

She's staked so much on this it's just too much to begin to contemplate any possibility that her or the cult is wrong; not to give one iota of doubt of the rightness.

It's everything to someone like her to keep it going because she puts her interpretation of herself above everything. She'd destroy herself if she did and she puts herself above the safety of women and girls. Of demonstrable truth. It's despicable.

Some people can delude themselves on anything. To me it fits entirely with the cult of Scottish Independence.

Basically I don't think it has anything to do with her intelligence or otherwise. It's a mental or emotional weakness.

Can anyone think of another unpopular ideological position that politicians have been willing to trash their careers, reputation and legacy for? Thatcher and poll tax, maybe?

They've been doggedly pushing gender ideology. in the face of mounting opposition, for years at this point and few show any signs of reconsidering their position, why?

This.

there's no way she's this stupid. She hitched her horse to the wrong wagon and now has to double down.

Erm... Brexshit.

Whatever your feelings about the outcome 51.8% of people who voted in the referendum voted to leave and Nigel Farage seems to be stronger than ever so I don't think it's a good example.

I ultimately don't have a problem with the result as such. I didn't like it but I could live with it.

I had a problem with the lengths people went to prove they understood the vote and ignored the reality of practical considerations (Good Friday Agreement and Article 50 implementation for starters) as politicians who needed to understand these things. .

They didn't on both counts (understanding what people wanted) and implementation of the vote and it left us in political turmoil for years because they couldn't be arsed listening to the boring shit details of legalities and how supply chains and trade deals work. These were not going to change regardless of your political beliefs - it was another material reality thing that people didn't want to acknowledge, so we skirted around the inconvenient truth of the Irish Border for literally years.

I may have written at length on this subject.

Absolutely. People want easy answers; sort Brexit out, stop the boats. But in the real world, it's not like that. If there was an easy way to 'stop the boats', the current govt would already have done it. So short of machine-gunning them in the water, what other plans do you have? It's a fair question.

The thing that Brexshit and Trans have in common in terms of how politicians have handled them (badly). Those slogans.

Get Brexit Done.
Transwoman are women.
Stop the boats.

All thought terminating cliches that avoid the difficult process of acknowledging it's really not that simple and avoiding the obvious

How?

I think to a certain extent this is also why COVID also went tits up but it's less obvious and clear cut (and why we now have a backlash that's spawned a thousand conspiracy theories)

I think we all need that little video clip of the Scottish woman reacting to Sturgeon's tour and paid meet&greet. Let me see if I can find it.

Sorry Sturgeon, actually it's TRAs that are STILL making trans people's lives more difficult.

I still find it odd that many of the people who pointed out the unavoidable existence of the Good Friday Agreement have been completely unable to acknowledge the material consequences of sex.

This. This is what I find so completely and utterly baffling.

The only thing that makes sense is the idea of extreme moral superiority and demonisation of 'the other side' to the point of lunacy. Thus you must 'be kind' beyond the point of reasoning.

I still can't quite wrap my head around it, despite having spent time with lib dems and 2nd referrs. Despite my reservations about certain things about that there was a point where I felt they went too far and I said as much. It was the tone deafness and when they started sounding like Eddie Izzard. The lesson I took was to listen and not cast 'the other side' as meaning ill. They often had very good intentions even if slightly misplaced.

But yeah it's a paradox I still struggle to get my head around despite understanding it.

There is a school of thought that the SNP don't really want independence because they then wouldn't be 'necessary'. Could that be at least part of sturgeon's reason for jumping on the ideological bandwagon in the first place?

Well, not in Scotland. About 63% voted Remain iirc

I really wonder who she's doing this for? And why?

I've mostly assumed it was all hypothetical. The politicians thought "trans' people were a tiny handful of inconsequential nobodies they could use as martyrs to further their own sanctification. All a big sob story with no costs.

They couldn't see the effects on women because of entrenched misogyny.

Ah, that makes sense - there’s still big money in ‘equality’ charities.

Herself.

People are always going on at JKR about her legacy and she always replies in words to the effect of "I'm not thinking about my legacy, it's not about me, it's about protecting women and girls." That's why she does the right thing; because it's right, not because she thinks it'll bring her glory.

Sturgeon is thinking about herself and her status and her legacy. She thought she could gain glory by leading what she sold as a civil rights movement but is of course a pervert's paradise whose damage to women and children is now well established and will probably never be fully known because we will never know all the women and girls who just self excluded. Sturgeon has no humility so she won't see this, and she still thinks she can gain A Legacy if she doubles down hard enough.

Sturgeon is Cornelius Fudge.

Similar in London - 60% remain

Edited to add, I recognise this is a pointless factoid in a thread about Sturgeon. It is just a kneejerk reaction having been lectured by many friends at home about how appallingly different London is on important issues such as this.

I think the main reason political parties in general have adopted these policies is complete failure to analyse impact on women. (Also true of Goodwin judgement that preceded GRA)

However the SNP in particular adopted self ID as a policy to differentiate from rUK - They had to be first and go further. Sense checking was not a consideration.

Perhaps she’s hoping for the full guidance to set out all the sexes, which according to Nicola are:

1. men
2. women
3. rapists

with discussion tabled as to whether a fourth sex covering ‘men in kilts’ needs to be added.

I've put 'trans' people in inverted commas there because I think politicians have used a mythical group of hypothetical people as a fable.

People who identify as trans definitely exist and are protected in law. They're human beings like any other.

What politicians like Sturgeon have done is create a group of people that they posit should somehow exist outwith the bounds of the usual rules and laws applicable to other people. This group of sacred 'trans' people apparently are incapable of bad faith or of breaking laws or of predatory intent.

We can see this in the cringeingly patronising rhetoric of 'they just need to be loved' etc. Other groups of people aren't subjected to this pablum. I can only assume politicians who seek to use this hypothetical group don't in fact see trans people as real, living, breathing, fallible human beings.

Tbf she has to keep her grift/earning potential going. She has a book coming out and even if she backtracked now actual feminists aren’t going to buy it so she’s dependent on the ‘TWAW’ believers.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-netted-640k-stepping-34475833