Greens internal drama warms up

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New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts.

How the Green Party forgot the environment and was torn apart by trans rows
It was a party united by a single mission – to save the planet. But now the gender identity debate has left it divided and in chaos

https://archive.is/TOlNx

The article is already out of date as Zack Polanski of hypnotic breasts fame has just launched a leadership bid against Deyner and Ramsey.

Emma Bateman
It's no secret that big boobs Polanski wants the top job. He is a student politics slogan churner, a self server who distains women and wants misgendering misdemeanours to be grounds for expulsion from the Greens.
He is "LGB with the T"
Still NO DEBATE!

Pro-women Greens article on his background:;
https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski/

The existence of biology is likely to be a significant part of the leadership contest for sure so interesting to watch .

Ali Shahrar has launched another legal challenge against the Greens. Gardening needed.

May 27th is the date for Emma Bateman's legal hearing against the Greens.

On May 27th I am in court against Green Party in a case which will expose the contorted lengths the Greens go to in order to shut women up.

It isn't going to go well for the Greens given the Supreme Court ruling. This could be key moment in seeing the ruling's effect on politics and directly impact the leadership contest. It will also be probably be infuriating and hilarious in equal measure.

I have fond memories of when it first broadcast - it was pretty groundbreaking.
I gave up watching some years ago as it seemed to loose its way a bit and become very, very smug.
Not sure if this was my point of view changing or the program changing but last night's show didn't leave me wanting to watch more.
edit, grammar

I guess they think money is like a natural resource rather than a function of ecinomic activity.

Polanski did snipe at how useless all the politicians who studied PPE were. He came up with another acronym for it that I've forgotten.

However they did at least have some economic training. That Spectator article notes previously green party leaders Chowns and Ramsay actually did in depth studies on development and the like. Polanski studied Drama.

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Actor. Hypnotherapist.

This background doesn't seem to suggest he has the kind of qualities that we need in a politician. But I suppose it's got precedent, look at Reagan and Swarzenegger. Maybe works best in the context of populist, US style politics.

Both Reagan & Schwarzenegger were very successful actors. Zack Hypnotits on the other hand...

May his political career achieve all the success of his stage career.

... and his hypnosis.

People seem to love him. Maybe it's social media just showing me a certain selection of views, rather than a representative sample. Maybe it's because he is younger and more charismatic than some of the other leaders. Maybe it's because they are fed up of Labour and Conservative, and opposed to Reform.

But I'd bet that most of the people I see lauding him have no idea about hypoboobs (or perhaps think this is funny, rather than stupid and offensive), and have no idea that he is fervently TWAW (or perhaps are happy to throw women under the bus).

But I'd bet that most of the people I see lauding him have no idea about hypoboobs (or perhaps think this is funny, rather than stupid and offensive), and have no idea that he is fervently TWAW (or perhaps are happy to throw women under the bus).

They do actually (leftish, Last Leg types) know about hypnotits and have either comforted themselves that they can ignore it BC it was the hated Murdoch Sun or he was just trying to help and it's all a laugh.

The Times podcast mentioned that he hadn't really gone into the topic of de growth. For all his apparent charm on camera he's taken it quite personally and there's some ongoing skirmish with Danny Finkelstein , with attendant follow ups from newly anointed Polanski fans being as charming as you'd expect

https://nitter.net/Dannythefink/status/1982192208586448991#m,

https://nitter.net/Dannythefink/status/1986720172644659621#m

https://nitter.net/TimesRadio/status/1986456172623196621#m

In all honesty, I think he's offering positivity, when the other parties are not.

I would suggest it's batshit fake positivity, promising impossible things, but I can see the appeal.

He's told people that he can simply take money off rich people and give it to them.

That's attractive.

It's Trumpish, really.

Exactly this! He's the alt Farage. Simple answers to complex problems, happy to throw vulnerable groups (in Zak's case women) under the bus and in a party that when given actual power to run things like local authorities turns into an absolute shit show

Isn't it exactly what Mamdani just won with?

We'll see how that pans out

Yes, he says he'll tax the rich and people fall over themselves to cheer him on.

Meanwhile, from the Critic article already linked above. "Those millions of Britons who take the opposite view to Polanski on trans identity are presumably so thick as to have been duped by a scheming media, rather than having genuine and rational concerns."

There’s lots of muslim green party Cllrs
https://muslimgreens.greenparty.org.uk/people/

@ArabellaScott In all honesty, I think he's offering positivity, when the other parties are not....He's told people that he can simply take money off rich people and give it to them. That's attractive.

Well, he did bill himself as a populist.
His slogans are simple, attractive - and incredibly divisive. Which might be a good way to motivate voters, but actually undermines the social contract on which redistribution and socialisation of risks and welfare costs ultimately depends.

It also sounds a lot like classic them-and-us hard left politics.

He's plotted what he thinks is the quickest route to power, not troubling himself about the consequences of the route taken (not unlike our current PM). A very different analysis of how a green party could build support - for a genuinely green agenda - is available.

Would-be messianic leaders make the mistake of assuming that solutions will fall into place once the right guy is in power. Starmer is guilty of this; I'm not sure Hypnoboobs even cares about anything beyond winning and holding power. He gives the impression of someone who is in it for the adoration - more like Johnson than any other political leader I can think of.

Wholly agree, although I think Johnson had more knowledge of history and economics than Polanski. A less informed Johnson - what an alarming prospect.

I don't know about Boris Johnson's knowledge of politics, but I watched a program he presented on the Greeks and was pleasantly surprised (I'd always thought he was an idiot ).

I think he might have been on sky Politics this morning. There's a news ticker that says he'll negotiate with Vladimir Putin on giving up nuclear weapons if he is Prime Minister

Yes. Wearing a white poppy and claiming it as anti-fascist, when the reality is the 1930 pacifists were all-in for appeasement.

As expected then for the greens

The white poppy is from the Peace Pledge Union - nothing to do with anti-fascism.

Well, he did bill himself as a populist.
His slogans are simple, attractive - and incredibly divisive. Which might be a good way to motivate voters, but actually undermines the social contract on which redistribution and socialisation of risks and welfare costs ultimately depends.

Yes it's raise taxes on others but not me, and it i suppose is evidence that politics still sees itself as a consumer led activity where the voter/ customer is always right. It's a legacy of the Thatcherite focus on individualism .

You could also term some of the lexit (left wing Brexit) and stuff like leaving NATO as a similar move away from collective action, which seems to completely undermine the broader social unity they claim to want to promote.

It's been termed the Anti Bedtime tendency

https://nitter.net/duncanrobinson/status/1986390309421359331#m

Good fucking christ.