Greens internal drama warms up

[fromorbit]

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts.

How the Green Party forgot the environment and was torn apart by trans rows
It was a party united by a single mission – to save the planet. But now the gender identity debate has left it divided and in chaos

https://archive.is/TOlNx

The article is already out of date as Zack Polanski of hypnotic breasts fame has just launched a leadership bid against Deyner and Ramsey.

Emma Bateman
It's no secret that big boobs Polanski wants the top job. He is a student politics slogan churner, a self server who distains women and wants misgendering misdemeanours to be grounds for expulsion from the Greens.
He is "LGB with the T"
Still NO DEBATE!

Pro-women Greens article on his background:;
https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski/

The existence of biology is likely to be a significant part of the leadership contest for sure so interesting to watch .

Ali Shahrar has launched another legal challenge against the Greens. Gardening needed.

May 27th is the date for Emma Bateman's legal hearing against the Greens.

On May 27th I am in court against Green Party in a case which will expose the contorted lengths the Greens go to in order to shut women up.

It isn't going to go well for the Greens given the Supreme Court ruling. This could be key moment in seeing the ruling's effect on politics and directly impact the leadership contest. It will also be probably be infuriating and hilarious in equal measure.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/zack-polanski-says-try-persuade-104703702.html

'Zack Polanski has said he would try to persuade Vladimir Putin to give up Russia’s nuclear weapons if he becomes prime minister.
The Green Party leader said “it would be sociopathic behaviour to say you wouldn’t negotiate with a president or a prime minister” to bring about world peace.
He told Sky News: “I want to see everyone denuclearise, including Vladimir Putin.”
Presenter Trevor Phillips told him: “That would be in the realms of the miracle.”
But Polanski told him: “You’re laughing at it but I think it’s important that we don’t laugh at peace.”
Phillips replied: “No, I’m laughing at the idea that Vladimir Putin is going to give up his nuclear weapons because someoby asks him to.”
The Green leader said: “Well you could have laughed at the point of Nelson Mandela negotiating with the ANC or we could have laughed at the Irish during the Troubles.
“I think it’s always impossible until it’s done and I think it’s really important. I don’t think it’s likely, I think that’s a different question, but I think the first question has to be ‘do you think we can work for peace and diplomacy in the world’.
“Do we believe we can work with people who we have massive disagreements with, who are obviously creating an illegal invasion of Ukraine. These are really serious issues.
“And at the same time I believe we should never leave the negotiating table, and part of that is showing both the moral and courageous leadership to come on TV and say to you even though this might be a position that’s ridiculed, I don’t believe we should find peace and diplomacy ridiculous.
I think the most brave and courageous and authentic thing to do is say I believe we can have a world without war.”
Phillips then asked: “So a prime minister Polanski would negotiate with President Putin?”
Polanski replied: “Absolutely. I think it would be sociopathic behaviour to say you wouldn’t negotiate with a president or prime minister of any country.”'

I wonder how much thought he has given these issues? I reckon less than half an hour.

Google AI tells me these are the Green Party's immigration policy highlights:

The Green Party advocates for a fair and humane system of managed immigration which treats migrants as potential citizens and supports the right to claim asylum. Key policies include ending the "hostile environment", dismantling the Home Office, creating safe asylum routes, and abolishing application fees charged for profit.

Core Principles and General Policies

• Human Rights Approach: The Greens believe migration is not a criminal offence and that all migrants should be treated with fairness and humanity. They support the universal right to claim asylum as set out in the UN Declaration of Human Rights.
• Dismantling the Home Office: The party proposes splitting the Home Office into a Department of the Interior and a Department of Migration, to separate migration and citizenship functions from the criminal justice system.
• Ending the "Hostile Environment": They would immediately abolish policies associated with the "hostile environment", including the "No Recourse to Public Funds" (NRPF) condition, and stop detaining people solely based on their immigration status.
• Integration and Rights: The policy aims to support migrants in putting down roots. This includes giving all visa residents the right to vote in all elections and referendums and providing free, comprehensive access to the NHS for all visa residents.

Specific Migrant Categories

• Asylum Seekers and Refugees: The Green Party calls for the introduction of safe and managed routes for people to seek asylum in the UK, rather than relying on dangerous journeys.
• Asylum applications would be processed quickly, ideally within three months, with free legal aid provided.
• Applicants would be allowed to work while their cases are being decided.
• The definition of a refugee would be expanded to include those forced to move due to the climate emergency or other events seriously disturbing public order.
• Workers and Students:
• The party would abolish minimum income requirements for all applications, including spousal visas, so families can be together regardless of income.
• Visa fees would be reduced to administrative cost only, and minimum income and language requirements would be removed from applications.
• Students would be permitted to stay for three years after completing their studies to look for work.
• Undocumented Migrants: Undocumented migrants who have been in the UK for at least five years would be invited to apply for settled status without penalty.

Overall Approach
The Green Party view migration as a fact of life that benefits society and the economy. They reject the use of "arbitrary numerical caps" and instead focus on a managed system that respects human dignity, acknowledges the UK's global responsibilities (especially regarding the climate crisis), and processes all applications efficiently and humanely.

So, a fairly borderless policy. Of course they can say what they like when nowhere near government. They are also intending to abolish private renting apparently. I can't see many supporters for their immigration policy in my 'red wall' area. While there is a long-established South Asian population, many IME are not in favour of migration policies that facilitate non-South Asians and were very Brexity for that reason.

I can't see anything about the environmental impacts of encouraging this kind of movement of people but I don't think the Greens are really interested in that.

But Polanski told him: “You’re laughing at it but I think it’s important that we don’t laugh at peace.”
Phillips replied: “No, I’m laughing at the idea that Vladimir Putin is going to give up his nuclear weapons because someoby asks him to.”
The Green leader said: “Well you could have laughed at the point of Nelson Mandela negotiating with the ANC or we could have laughed at the Irish during the Troubles.

“I think it’s always impossible until it’s done and I think it’s really important. I don’t think it’s likely, I think that’s a different question, but I think the first question has to be ‘do you think we can work for peace and diplomacy in the world’.

Remembering actor Mark Rylance who said he'd offer to negotiate with ISIS, 😆

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3337948/Rylance-Let-s-talk-ISIS-not-bomb-Wolf-Hall-star-called-open-peace-talks-terrorists.html

Polanski would talk to Putin but won't talk to Farage in this country or GC women in the Green Party. 😕

Oof.

Is it that angry women are far scarier'n wee Vlad, or is it that Polanski is entirely powered by hot air?

As I've said dozens of times before, I don't understand why journalists ask actors to pontificate about current affairs and politics. They have nothing more to contribute there than any of the rest of us. I love Mark Rylance's work as an actor and will do my best to ignore this silliness the next time I see him on my screen.

Polanski, however, is a UK political leader, gawdelpus, so his pronouncements actually matter. What a time to be alive.

That is 100% solid gold 😂 he’s like a sitcom character.

Still asking himself the questions he would prefer to answer, I note. Also that he believes 'we should never leave the negotiating table' and that it would be 'sociopathic' not to attempt to negotiate with Putin, yet thinks it's fine, even morally necessary, to silence gender-critical women and exclude them from his party.

I assume he simply misspoke when speaking about Mandela negotiating with the ANC.

I assume he simply misspoke when speaking about Mandela negotiating with the ANC.

🤔

I suppose Mandela did sort of negotiate with them at times, when factions were splitting apart and Winnie was going off on one ... well. Are we trying to apply a sort of backwards Hanlon's razor?

The usual way for the ANC to deal with unruly minority factions was for Chris Hani to torture them. The GP has its faults, but I doubt Zack is thinking along those lines.

Well... GC women are tough old hags who have proved impervious to Hypnoboobery. Nigel Farage is obviously a fellow-practitioner who has hypnotised half the public into considering Reform and will recognise the tricks of the trade. Compared with them, Putin will be a doddle...

Note part of the current division inside Your Party is Corbyn refuses to say he is an anti-Zionist. Mothin meanwhile

Here’s Green Party deputy leader Mothin Ali being asked if he’s an antizionist. He responds: “Am I allowed to say that? Of course I am.”

https://nitter.net/HeidiBachram/status/1987187297326948405

Just try to get Mothin to say that men in dresses are women. He will NEVER say that. He is fine with being round them, he is kind to them, he will say they are being persecuted. He just DOES NOT BELIEVE that they are what they say they are. Which is exactly why many biology knowers were thrown out of the Greens. They tell the truth - Mothin will not.

Here's the Sky interview with Polanski for ref

Says he wouldn't work with Keir Starmer if and when he's got his parliamentary majority. Then says he would be prepared to work with Labour if led by a more suitable left wing leader like Nadia Whittome.

She was on the news earlier pre emptively rebelling against the Denmark type restrictions on asylum Shabana Mahmood is considering because It's Not Left Values. He has no idea if she's actually planning a leadership challenge or has a powerbase. Nice bit of shit stirring as I suspect he thinks Whittome is vulnerable to what her Core Activists think of her. Or maybe he just latched onto her name BC he couldn't think of anyone else . Maybe the latter

https://news.sky.com/video/zack-polanski-starmer-not-a-man-i-would-be-willing-to-work-with-13467140

Perhaps it's an attempt at a different sort of boob growing?

😂😂

Hypno got headlines again by slamming Starmer as 'not a man I would be willing to work with'. It is the same rhetorical pattern employed by Farage and Trump. Make outrageous statements get attention. Being open to talk with Putin, as Trump is, but refusing to work with Starmer sounds daft. However the tactic can work very well in our attention based economy.

Later in same interview with Trevor Phillips discussing women making faces when saying pregnant people ZP at 8.44 says the TWAW litany that Mothin Ali never has and never will say. Hilariously Phillips is confused about what a trans woman is - he thinks they are women who think they are men not men who think they are women. ZP doesn't correct him.

Hypno was in Cardiff in the weekend. Although claiming they were here to fight Reform the truth is the Greens are aiming to take votes from Plaid and Labour as a stepping stone to gaining power in London. It was quite hilarious to see ZP claiming that Reform just sees Wales a stepping stone when Reform have had a stronger power base in Wales than Greens have. The Greens are a British focused party who have been standing in Wales for decades without success and now might win a seat in the Cardiff area.

Wales nothing more than ‘stepping stone’ to Downing Street for Farage, Polanski warns
https://nation.cymru/news/wales-nothing-more-than-stepping-stone-to-downing-street-for-farage-polanski-warns/

The other Green deputy leader is the rather well off Rachel Millward. Here she is opposing housing any asylum seekers in her area.

Rachel Millward
https://nitter.net/rachelmillward/status/1984927535524642942

Nov 2
It has been astonishing to experience first hand how badly the Home Office mismanages asylum seeker accommodation. Wealden District Council has written to the Minister to make clear our dissatisfaction. (1/2)

Nov 2, 2025 · 10:16 AM UTC

Rachel Millward
@rachelmillward
Nov 2
We strongly object to their plans to temporarily house 600 people in the Crowborough Army Camp, when there has been no community engagement and no reassurance of the wellbeing of asylum seekers or local residents. (2/2)

This completely contradicts what Hypno says Green values are.

Trans is real - unless you are Mothin Ali .

Asylum seekers need support unless they live near Rachel Millward.

Rachel Millward appears to me to be a sort of ur-Lib Dem. I'm willing to bet that her electoral success at local government level is a lot more about Nimbyism than Omnicause.

Remember folks Hypno boobs thinks women do not deserve sport.

So with the Olympics finally coinciding that women deserve sport where does that leave him ? The hard line position ZP endorses is hugely unpopular.

Not a serious person.

And bet you he knows exactly which sex to go to when he wants to buy a baby. He won't be asking Paris or Munroe if they'd like hypnosis to grow a uterus.

Twat.

Millward's anti Asylum seeker stance is being widely shared and discussed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg7r803m27o

Yes the hypocrisy is outstanding. I note her letter claims it's out of concerns for the welfare of the asylum seekers to be houses Near The Vicinity as well as residents but it's classic Tory NIMBY.

https://nitter.net/rachelmillward/status/1984927535524642942#m

Has Polanski said anything on this

Hypno has said nothing just as when Mothin says something crazy.

Mail on Millward's position
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15279847/Migrants-refugees-welcome-just-not-near-Green-deputy-leader-complains-600-asylum-seekers-housed-local-area.html

With the number of interviews he gives sooner or later he is going to get called out on all this hypocrisy.

What would be really hilarious and great TV is putting on Zack with a gender critical women who can make him look like a moron.

There are three years before next election an ZPs stance will get him in real trouble.

Deeper analysis than usual in this Times article but no mention of ZPs obsession with men in dresses which is going to trip him up eventually.

Zack attack: the charismatic eco-populist rallying the radical left
With Labour purged of Corbynites and Corbyn’s party in chaos, Green leader Zack Polanski has become an icon for dispossessed youth but is he just a showman?
https://archive.is/r2EcY#

Meanwhile from a socialist website a left wing analysis argues the party are far from radical.

Zack Polanski’s Greens are no alternative to Your Party’s debacle
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/11/14/yazw-n14.html

Deputy leader Milward's trouble with asylum seekers continues as she is incoherent on the issue again in public
https://order-order.com/2025/11/14/watch-green-deputy-leader-jeered-for-saying-small-boat-migrants-are-surgeons-and-engineers/

@fromorbit no mention of ZPs obsession with men in dresses which is going to trip him up eventually.
I wish this were true, but I really don't think it is. I don't know a single bloke for whom women's sex-based rights are a vote-determining issue, my partner included.

Rupert Read (in his academic philosopher guise) was questioning the implications of trans identities at least as early as 2013, got into trouble with GPEW for an article he had published (v. hard to find now, I think this is it), underwent re-education and has kept schtum since. Presumably because he calculates that he is a more effective climate activist if he ignores the battle over whether sex matters.

I know quite a few people who voted Green at the GE - they are all scientists who utterly despair at the lack of urgency on climate and biodiversity policy and they all agree that sex is real and that sex differences sometimes matter. If they decide not to vote Green at the next GE, it will be because they've decided a Green vote is not the best way to apply pressure to get serious, credible climate and biodiversity policies implemented, not because GPEW and SGP don't recognise the existence of women as a sex class.

The potentially interesting Hypnoboobs comparison that I haven't seen anyone explore is with the way En Marche built an army of activists and campaigners from a standing start to deliver a legislative majority to underpin Macron's first presidency.

I really don't have time for a detailed post now, but at some point I might do one comparing Hypnoboobs's strategy with my best guess at what a genuinely green leader would do in his position. I'm still incredibly pissed off that the GPEW leader who got the gift of Starmer-Reeves Lab was a egomaniac charlatan like Hypnoboobs and that the party I thought I knew is now dominated by Lab refugees like Guy Lambert.