Greens internal drama warms up

[fromorbit]

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts.

How the Green Party forgot the environment and was torn apart by trans rows
It was a party united by a single mission – to save the planet. But now the gender identity debate has left it divided and in chaos

https://archive.is/TOlNx

The article is already out of date as Zack Polanski of hypnotic breasts fame has just launched a leadership bid against Deyner and Ramsey.

Emma Bateman
It's no secret that big boobs Polanski wants the top job. He is a student politics slogan churner, a self server who distains women and wants misgendering misdemeanours to be grounds for expulsion from the Greens.
He is "LGB with the T"
Still NO DEBATE!

Pro-women Greens article on his background:;
https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski/

The existence of biology is likely to be a significant part of the leadership contest for sure so interesting to watch .

Ali Shahrar has launched another legal challenge against the Greens. Gardening needed.

May 27th is the date for Emma Bateman's legal hearing against the Greens.

On May 27th I am in court against Green Party in a case which will expose the contorted lengths the Greens go to in order to shut women up.

It isn't going to go well for the Greens given the Supreme Court ruling. This could be key moment in seeing the ruling's effect on politics and directly impact the leadership contest. It will also be probably be infuriating and hilarious in equal measure.

Thanks for the link, it was quite the eye opener to read how thoroughly hijacked the Green Party is.

A reaction to co-leader Adrian Ramsay who has faced calls to resign after refusing to say he believes TWAW.

“The man has had literal years to educate himself on trans rights. He has seemingly refused to do so, he refuses to communicate our policy which says trans women are women. He must be voted out,” one such member said on social media."

It's the arrogance, and the over the top terminology, that gets you about these people, 'literal' and 'educate himself'. If this party's all we've got to save the planet, then we're doomed, doomed I say.

Emma Bateman
Bates Wells are lawyers for TheGreenParty. I am in court against them on May 27th for a pre-application hearing in my case v the Party for discrimination, so that will be interesting...

Women's Institute Declaration
Girlguiding and WomensInstitute use the same legal consultant according to their annual reports, Bates Wells.

What do Bates Wells think of the Supreme Court ruling?

That would be why the 2 organisations released very similar statements yesterday.
https://bateswells.co.uk/updates/uk-supreme-court-unanimously-rules-legal-definition-of-woman-in-the-equality-act-2010-is-based-on-biological-sex-for-women-scotland-ltd-v-the-scottish-ministers-2025-uksc-16/

Very interesting summary of the Greens internal problems:;

The Greens keep ploughing away in the divisive field of identity politics. Talk about a dead end.
The Green's co-leader says her party is right and the Supreme Court is wrong on gender and sex. A very pricey approach. See you in court! Bring your debit card!

https://theleftlane2024.substack.com/p/the-greens-keep-ploughing-away-in

The most interesting sentence there is the first one - the Greens at least sometimes polling at 20%. No wonder the Torygraph want to do a hit piece rehashing rows of yesteryear - there's a big Tory to Green pipeline and they're a huge youth choice.

I hope as much as anyone that the Greens can shake off the identity entryists. I'm also a nuclear Green if I'm anything. I want them to be a rock hard environmental lobby with a positive agenda, not a grab bag of causes and not the political equivalent of a music festival. I also think that Ali Shahrar should spend a bit less time on the blower to journalists like this.

Interesting - yes he's currently being pushed by all the left media I watch: Novara, Politics Joe etc. Struck me as a robot stuck on 1.5x speed, rabbiting on about how he's getting Reform voters. 🙄

I feel sad about the Greens because I, selfishly, care about not dying in a ball of fire, but I can't claim to be a supporter of the actual party. It's not really because of the gender madness - it's from long before then - I always found them so blinding white. In our poor, mostly brown, area, I never met or saw a single Green who wasn't white and middle class. Not even normal middle class but posh, like RP posh! That takes effort in my view.

It's always been a 'posh people telling you off' party round our way. Trans stuff is absolute gold to all groups of posh people telling you off, so it's not surprising they're so into it. But tbh if they get forced to drop their sexism project I do think they'll just find another thing to scold us for. I think the scolding is the point.

It's worth keeping an eye on Greens Organise.

Very new group within the Green Party. It's hard to work out exactly what they believe in but they say that they're on the Left and want to revitalise the party.

The group's grown very quickly. They had 3 target areas at the local elections and were able to bus in decent numbers of enthusiastic activists for door knocking.

Lots of Young Greens and people who put pronouns in their emails or zoom name.

Officially, GO doesn't have a position on the upcoming leadership election but they had a zoom meeting last night about Taking the fight to Reform and Zack Polanski was the first speaker.

I used to be a member of the Greens, but I’ll never ever vote for them again while they have these pathetic, brainless, virtue-signalling halfwits in their party. They should chuck all the biology-deniers out and get back to how they were years ago.

Meanwhile, the planet burns while they jostle to show off about how ‘down with the yoof’ they are; are blind to links with paedophiles; and don’t give a shit about 51% of the population.

Shahrar Ali is very good, but until they ditch every one of these insane cultists, they’re lost.

Polanski as co-leader?

Oh, dear.

I think you need to remember that the Greens are small. Conferences usually only have a few hundred votes at best, same for internal elections. Yes, there are absolute gender fanatics at very high levels but GC women have made huge in lroads and refused to go away.
I genuinely believe that the Greens can be taken back. All we need is enough determined women willing to vote in all the internal elections and we'll have both a gender critical and an enivronmental party.
This is why I stay. Its the one party where my vote may count. I genuinely think the Greens are an opportunity for us.

Indeed a whole bunch of the internal elections are won by prowomen people.

I think Polanski will have serious opposition. The election will be interesting to see.

Especially as they are going to lose any cases where they try being sexist especially with the Supreme Court ruling..

I thought the co leaders of the greens had to be one of each “gender”? Is Zak identifying as a woman?

Not as far as I know. I assume he'll need to find a womanish identifier as co.leader.

That article seems a bit confused. Probably reflects most people.

'Gender-critical Greens – many of who have attempted to push back against what they describe as the party’s “unpalatable gender identity extremism” in recent years – were incensed.
“The man has had literal years to educate himself on trans rights. He has seemingly refused to do so, he refuses to communicate our policy which says trans women are women. He must be voted out,” one such member said on social media.'

It is confusing.

The current rules are that one person can stand for leader of any gender, but that means there must be two deputy leaders - who must be of two different self determined genders. [So you could have one person who is nonbinary and one who is genderfluid though so far it is always "man" / "woman".]

Or two people can stand as co leaders, who must be of two different self determined genders in which case there is one deputy of any gender.

So Polanski is fine standing as the leader by himself without a partner.

Details:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_leadership_election

Note there are two people standing for Deputy so far. Antoinette Fernandez [no pronouns in bio] and Thomas Daw [he/him seems like a TA].

“The man has had literal years to educate himself on trans rights. He has seemingly refused to do so, he refuses to communicate our policy which says trans women are women.

Amazing how people spout this kind of thing showing how uneducated and unthinking they are themselves. They simply do not understand that “Trans rights” means protection from persecution and discrimination on the basis of gender reassignment just like other groups are protected. It does not mean having a right to force other people to say you have changed sex or are the sex you are not. Yet these people are 100% sure it’s “discrimination” if you don’t shout TWAW from the rooftops and let trans-id-ing people have access to opposite sex categories and services. They’re hugely confused about this.

I do think there’s hope for Green politics though - I predict a schism ultimately with a scientific and rational environmental party and a separate ideology-driven social justice omnicause party emerging from the split.

(aside from the confusion in the article - someone said this but the journalist or sub has mixed the views up…)

Please let Zack stand as co- leader with a male running mate who identifies as something else. That would bring home as nothing else would the insanity and injustice if allowing trans-identifying males to take spots supposedly kept for women.

Why is it that 'educate him/herself' always means 'agree with what I think, or else' and not to 'research a topic and come to their own conclusion once they have looked at all the facts'?

I think “educate yourself” also means “I can’t actually explain or rationalise this and I’m not even sure why I think what I think so it’s better to deflect questions by pretending everyone who is “educated “ agrees with me”. It’s a shut-down, sneering tactic as much as anything. As we’ve often seen on FWR, people who do actually look into the facts often get peaked and become gender-critical forthwith.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/greens-to-reject-gender-ruling-in-next-leadership-contest/

'Despite justices unanimously concluding that ‘women’ in the Equality Act referred to biological sex, the Greens will not change their constitution – which states that while job-sharing leaders must be ‘two individuals of a different gender’, ‘gender is self-determined’. The eco-zealots at the environmentalist HQ insisted to Steerpike that: ‘No, the party doesn’t support the Supreme Court judgment.’ They said it was not the Green party’s position that trans women aren’t women'

Drama inside the Greens is inevitable.

Getting terfy vibes from Antoinette Fernandez, a black woman of Nigerian descent standing for deputy leadership. Hopefully the TAs don't go all racist on her as they usually do whenever they get the chance to attack or silence any ethnic women with opinions.

No mention of gender stuff on her website and seems interested in investing in women's health.
https://www.antoinettefernandez.com/home

Her x account contains gem like this:

Antoinette Fernandez

What do Pakistani grooming gangs, Andrew, Jimmy, YewTree peados, & priests etc all have in common?

Not that they're British or the original definition of caucasian.

They are all evil, perverse MEN in a system that allowed them to devastate the lives of women & children.
https://x.com/a4antoinette/status/1876639492750360838

There is a court case which is mentioned in the substack Emma Bateman:
https://x.com/EmmaBatemanGPW/status/1920471308451606842

In court on 27th May for a prelim hearing against the greens apparently

I will never tire of mentioning Zack and his big boobs hypnosis, just because it's the funniest piece of GP lore I know. And he's not even close to being the maddest person in the party.

I saw a quote the other day from an anon Labour minister saying "It's just our good luck the Greens are so shit. If they ever got a charismatic populist leader we'd be 10 more points down in the polls."

I saw the headline and thought this might be about the Australian greens post election fallout, and thought ooooh. Oh well!

I think that Labour has successfully taken Green policies and I think that Ed Milliband is carrying out most of the policies that the Green's wanted anyway --they have had no choice but to go more to the Left.

As the Left has become so ideologically strict the Greens have become what the Right calls an NPC (Non player Character) party- they are a Left wing party foremost and will never be able to get rid of Trans rights.

@PermanentTemporary

"the political equivalent of a music festival"

Love this! Perhaps we could play a game? Which music festival are the Greens?

• Glasto - wet year/dry year/pre-wall/post-wall
• Towersey Straw Bear festival
• very small rave with bad drugs
• etc.
• <insert your suggestion here>