Greens internal drama warms up

[fromorbit]

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts.

How the Green Party forgot the environment and was torn apart by trans rows
It was a party united by a single mission – to save the planet. But now the gender identity debate has left it divided and in chaos

https://archive.is/TOlNx

The article is already out of date as Zack Polanski of hypnotic breasts fame has just launched a leadership bid against Deyner and Ramsey.

Emma Bateman
It's no secret that big boobs Polanski wants the top job. He is a student politics slogan churner, a self server who distains women and wants misgendering misdemeanours to be grounds for expulsion from the Greens.
He is "LGB with the T"
Still NO DEBATE!

Pro-women Greens article on his background:;
https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski/

The existence of biology is likely to be a significant part of the leadership contest for sure so interesting to watch .

Ali Shahrar has launched another legal challenge against the Greens. Gardening needed.

May 27th is the date for Emma Bateman's legal hearing against the Greens.

On May 27th I am in court against Green Party in a case which will expose the contorted lengths the Greens go to in order to shut women up.

It isn't going to go well for the Greens given the Supreme Court ruling. This could be key moment in seeing the ruling's effect on politics and directly impact the leadership contest. It will also be probably be infuriating and hilarious in equal measure.

More on the Greens in this broadside from Shahrar;

Shahrar Ali
The Green Party is a sinister mob. Take it from me, a former deputy leader
How can a party remain credible when it punishes people for believing in biological sex?
https://archive.is/aPR27

Great piece. I wish he was the leader.

I’ve long advocated for speaking and engaging with electors and politicians with whom we may strongly disagree. I regard it as fundamental to democratic politics that we should seek to persuade those not already won over to our policy proposals. The opposite betrays a deeply cynical approach to human beings, in which we have nothing to learn, even from those whom we would presume to govern. Government without consent descends into totalitarianism.

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The latest of the threads on Scottish Greens being awful is here [they need their own unsafe space] and we discussed it there. Somehow Mumsnetters used their psychic powers to predict Browning was a wrong un long before the party noticed. It never happens though:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again

I notice that Bates Wells comments on a recent spate of high-profile cases (both decided and ongoing), dealing with the tension between gender critical and transgender rights in the workplace and public sphere.

It’s not about “gender critical” rights. It’s about women’s rights. No mention of those.

This is a great post. Thank you.

I did vote for them in local elections, years ago, when they actually had the environment front and centre. They are completely unelectable as they currently are and if they continue in this vein, they really need to name change. You cannot champion the planet, environment or sustainability if you don't understand biology or science. Bunch of fuckwits.

Adrian Ramsay and Ellie Chowns have announced that they are standing for election as co-leaders. I really hope that the members vote for them and not for creepy Zack.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/12/green-party-must-choose-again-election-focused-activist-leaders

www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/12/adrian-ramsay-stand-re-election-greens-co-leader-with-ellie-chowns

https://x.com/GWDeclaration/status/1921799818298503171?t=2ecqznxyep6_WzWWg9noaA&s=19

Interesting. The Guardian doesn’t mention the elephant (policy) in the room….

excellent!

Ooh! Will sanity prevail?

Apparently if you join the GP before July 31st you will be able to vote for them

https://www.ellie-adrian-2025.org/

sign up to support here

would be brilliant if anyone who left due to all this fancies another spin…?

Click sign up to support, and there’s the option to join

What evidence do we have that Ellie Chowns is going to be any better than Carla Denyer when it comes to GPEW's self-ID policy?

Has consistently said nothing on the matter.

in the greens you wave trans pom poms - it’s much easier to do so. In fact encouraged.

or say nothing.

Or speak out and get booted out.

Shahrar Ali

🧵 Game on, great match-making! So, AdrianRamsay & EllieChowns
announce their candidacy. Highly competent, personable & professional, they've explicitly signalled reaching out to other political bases in their campaign video. 👏

Remember biology knowers regularly win seats to the party's internal elections. There is a preexisting sensible community which is only going to get stronger as ordinary members realise that denying science results in legal cases. As discussed elsewhere in thread Emma Bateman's case is starting hearing end of May, Ali is starting a new case.

The activism approach has been defeated before by more sensible people. Amelia Womack stood for election last time as co-leader with Tamsin Omond, who identifies as trans and non-binary. It is telling that Polanski is now standing as a traditional loan male figure without a partner - the TAs in the Greens couldn't elect two women last time so as always they fall back on pushing men forward.

On gender stuff Chowns is a moderate who is being kind I believe. Notice she uses biological terms in a way that strident TAs would never touch.

What is a Woman according to Ellie Chowns MP in 2024
"There are some people who are born male and wish to identify as female, as a woman, and for the Green Party that is valid and real."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00208bz

She hasn't commented on X on the supreme court case. As such peaking is always possible especially as the TAs are bound to go after her in the election. Indeed they already are - her post on Women's Day featured a complaint from someone asking for more celebration of men in dresses rather than actual women;
https://bsky.app/profile/elliechowns.bsky.social/post/3lju7mp3tos2r

Everything to play for inside the Greens right now.

Shahrar Ali this morning:

'Game on, great match-making! So, Adrian Ramsay & Ellie Chowns announce their candidacy. Highly competent, personable & professional, they've explicitly signalled reaching out to other political bases in their campaign video.
Adrian & Ellie are not gender id extremists & so this could easily play out as closest thing members will get to a proxy battle for a heavy dose of reality check in party. They've not been right on Supreme Court or votes on data bill, which reveals their nervousness about crossing swords with internal fanatics wielding disciplinary power. However their overall messaging will resonate with members, correctly analysing that crude left/right political ideology is not where future Green politics lies. Their own constituencies proof of that.

This is not a ticket Zack Polanski is likely to beat - his campaign now dead in water while barely started. Time & again members have gone for a sort of "two-for-price-of-one" co-leader option, so this will likely leave Zack without a leadership role.

However never under-estimate kind of vote harvesting shenanigans fanatics get up to. Endorsements will be key - esp. Carla Denyer Caroline Lucas Jenny Jones.

Adrian has demonstrated actual spine in trying to tackle weaponised disciplinary processes in party, publicly defending Dr Pallavi Devulapalli late last year. He's smart enough to work out what needs to be done & how to do it, if he's prepared to risk more (but self-preservation always going to be a factor).
Well, I'm cheered by this announcement as I can see a pathway for viewpoint diversity with Adrian/Ellie that simply isn't available with their rival.
Good luck Adrian and Ellie!'

https://www.ellie-adrian-2025.org/endorsements

Caroline Lucas is backing them, that will help.

It's really worth trying to get people to join the Green party to vote for Adrian and Ellie.

They probably won't be strong voices for women's rights but neither are they raving TRAs.
Carla and Sian spoke in the House of Commons to condemn Cass, the ban on puberty blockers and the Supreme Court judgement. Adrian and Ellie didn't.

They will want to try and get the Green Party back to a focus on the environment. They will want good governance and freedom of speech within the party. If they are elected and know they have two years as leaders, they might be brave enough to become more outspoken.

If Zack is elected, the Green Party is lost.

He's a TRA. He has said that there is no place for GCs in the Party.
He has the support of the authoritarian faction and the dreadful Young Greens. They will be getting people to join to vote for him.
Greens Organise will campaign for him. The party will be flooded with Momentum/Corbynista types who hate Starmer.

The Green Party will be full of TRAs with a student politics outlook.

Voters in the centre will be turned off.

The lowest membership rate is only a few quid. It's worth joining to vote for Adrian and Ellie and encouraging friends to join.

100% 👏

the greens need to be focussing on science led green issues

the EA2010 says trans ppl are protected from harassment, this is also the law. So these two in leadership should be able to maintain the balance. Zack appears to be working outside the law

I'm thinking about it - I had been waiting to see which party to join for the Scottish elections next year. Could be anybodys, tbh! 😂

I suppose it's easy enough to sign up and then change in time for next year.

It is Arabella. It is.

There's a mischievous part of me that wouldn't mind Zack winning, purely for the comedy value.

But I suppose it's important that the Greens continue to exist, and desirable they have a more or less sane leadership.

Besides, when it comes to comedy value, we've got the Lib Dems. They may have plenty of hard working councillors, but under Ed Davey the national party is basically the Monster Raving Loony Party writ large.