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Greens internal drama warms up

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fromorbit · 05/05/2025 15:43

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts.

How the Green Party forgot the environment and was torn apart by trans rows
It was a party united by a single mission – to save the planet. But now the gender identity debate has left it divided and in chaos

https://archive.is/TOlNx

The article is already out of date as Zack Polanski of hypnotic breasts fame has just launched a leadership bid against Deyner and Ramsey.

Emma Bateman
It's no secret that big boobs Polanski wants the top job. He is a student politics slogan churner, a self server who distains women and wants misgendering misdemeanours to be grounds for expulsion from the Greens.
He is "LGB with the T"
Still NO DEBATE!

Pro-women Greens article on his background:;
https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski/

The existence of biology is likely to be a significant part of the leadership contest for sure so interesting to watch .

Ali Shahrar has launched another legal challenge against the Greens. Gardening needed.

May 27th is the date for Emma Bateman's legal hearing against the Greens.

On May 27th I am in court against Green Party in a case which will expose the contorted lengths the Greens go to in order to shut women up.

It isn't going to go well for the Greens given the Supreme Court ruling. This could be key moment in seeing the ruling's effect on politics and directly impact the leadership contest. It will also be probably be infuriating and hilarious in equal measure.

Zack Polanski – Concerned Greens

https://concernedgreens.uk/watchlist/zack-polanski

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fromorbit · 02/06/2025 12:55

Car Crash interview by Zack Polanski on Jeremy Vine. He is confused about what a woman is? How did the Hypno breasts thing work again Zack?

"How would you define a woman?"
ZackPolanski is pressed by ReemAmirIbrahim
over alleged splits in the Green Party following the Supreme Court ruling on biological sex.

https://x.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1929470764798918862

https://x.com/treesey/status/1929484490067317108

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/06/2025 11:01

I came here to post that too Grin mansplaining twat, when challenged by the female presenter. He also seems to have a rather “trans medicalist” approach. Not sure everyone in the party would approve.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/06/2025 11:02

cariadlet · 24/05/2025 09:00

I've seen that in WhatsApp groups. I'd love to see it taking off on Twitter/X 😂

Grin
borntobequiet · 03/06/2025 13:26

Even Jeremy seems to be less of an ally than he used to be.

fromorbit · 04/06/2025 04:20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/06/2025 11:01

I came here to post that too Grin mansplaining twat, when challenged by the female presenter. He also seems to have a rather “trans medicalist” approach. Not sure everyone in the party would approve.

Polanski despite being sexist is still breaking the rules. “Trans women are women but there’s a difference between sex and gender and biological sex is real.”

A whole bunch of TAs will nor like that, But as Ramsay won't say the words Polanski will still have an advantage.

Nominations for the Green leadership now open. End 30 June. Official campaign starts July.

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fromorbit · 04/06/2025 04:25

It will be interesting if an informed interviewer asks Polanski about his position on sports. Given he admits that sex and gender are different he might find that tricky.

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ArabellaScott · 04/06/2025 06:53

'there’s a difference between sex and gender and biological sex is real.'

Oh my word, he's for it!

fromorbit · 12/06/2025 16:34

Green Women's Declaration are taking extra action with the launch of a
GWD Supporter Membership Scheme.

For too long, we've watched the Green Party drift away from its scientific foundations. We've seen women's rights eroded in the name of "inclusion". We've witnessed biological reality dismissed as "outdated thinking”. We've endured the silencing of voices that dare to speak truth about sex and gender.
No more. That’s why we’ve launched the GWD Supporter Membership Scheme.
As a member, you're not just supporting our cause - you're becoming part of an organised force that can:
✓ Shape policy at Green Party conference
Join evidence-based campaigns
Attend webinars
Develop ecofeminist policies
Challenge unconstitutional Green Party policies
Support members facing disciplinary action
https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/news/building-collective-power

This is great news. With the recent expulsion of Dr Pallavi Devulapalli and the leadership contest we can expect things to get even more tense.

Interesting articles on the leadership contest.

Zack Polanski and the crankish turn of the Greens

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/06/10/zack-polanski-and-the-crankish-turn-of-the-greens/

Will the Green Party embrace a populist turn?
https://www.politics.co.uk/news-feature/2025/06/10/will-the-green-party-embrace-a-populist-turn/

Meanwhile a somewhat controversial Green Muslim Councilor from Leeds, Mothin Ali is now standing for the deputy leadership leadership.

He went viral for his comments after being elected.
https://www.thejc.com/news/politics/councillor-settler-colonialism-green-deputy-leader-mothin-ali-ei84tqsf

Interestingly on his twitter while there are many tweets about local matters and Gaza there are none about Pride or LGBT matters.

I did find a tweet from him in 2024 upset at the FA for telling women what to wear.

Well done FA, a ruling to effectively ban Muslim women from playing football will I'm sure do wonders to promote diversity and inclusion!

In 2024 you still think you can dictate what women wear?
https://x.com/MothinAli/status/1851896635334275126

This is to do with a argument over shorts for a Muslim woman which was resolved by the FA.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/oct/29/fa-says-sorry-to-muslim-womens-footballer-over-tracksuit-bottoms-ban#:

Yet nothing about the FAs drive to get men in the women's game. I think during the contest a question about sex vs gender might get some interesting responses from Mothin.

Zack Polanski and the crankish turn of the Greens

His leadership bid would turn the Greens into the party of Greta, Gaza and Jezza.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/06/10/zack-polanski-and-the-crankish-turn-of-the-greens/

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fromorbit · 23/07/2025 07:03

The English and Welsh Greens leadership election is proceeding with hustings and debates the results come end of August.

Things are likely to really kick off at the Green Party women's hustings where pro-women members tend to congregate;

Green Party Women #ForWomenAndPlanet
📣 Green Party Women event. Quick! Register!
🗣️ GPEW Leadership Hustings
🗓️ Friday, 25 July: 20.00
❓ What questions do you want the future leadership of GPEW to answer?
🙋🏽‍♀️ What’s key for women & girls?
📲 Link👇🏼 for an instant email/access code
https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/zBAE5wnnQOq2QO2xtVHpVA#/registration

Already a fairly bland, but still genderist response from Chowns to a question about Trans matters at another hstings has lead to the usual accusations online that she is a raging bigot. Meanwhile Polanski is in denial of the implications of the Supreme Court judgement. There are court cases outstanding most notably Emma Bateman. See for yourself:

East Midlands Green Party Conference 2025 - Leadership Hustings Zack Polanksi & Ellie Chowns

The question: Um, next question um is uh so what do you think the key issues facing are facing the trans community in the UK and as party leader what steps would you take to address them?

TRANSCRIPT OF POLANSKI'S REPLY
The answer: Um I think the core thing facing the trans community in the UK is often not having one single political party that stands with them unconditionally and says that trans rights are human rights a trans man is a man a trans woman is a woman and non-binary identities they're valid. So I think the first thing we need to do in the Green Party is be really clear about our values. Yes, we are a broad church, but broad churches have walls. And for me, one of those walls is if you are going to misgender someone, if you do it once accidentally, everyone's done that. But if it's repeatedly, I would say that is harassment. And that should have no space in a party that considers itself progressive. more widely outside of the political spaces. I think health care is clearly a huge issue um for trans people, not just the kind of traditional uh trans healthcare, but actually just using a GP appointment uh on a daily basis or or whenever you go to the GP, this is known as I think broken leg or broken arms arm syndrome. Then if a trans person goes to a GP or a medical practitioner, they see a person as a trans person rather than seeing them as a person with a with a symptom that anyone else might have. I think on top of that as well is the very very hostile media towards trans people. I always remember what Graeme Norton said when he was interviewed about this and I would repeat this a little bit the question is don't ask me about a trans person like don't speak to a trans person and let's make sure that we have more trans people in our national media who are able to speak for their community. And I suppose I'm slightly aware as a Jewish person that I don't speak for all Jewish people and not one trans person speaks for all trans people. But it is very noticeable that in the the media landscape, the absence of having a trans first in the media landscape is very obvious. And the final thing I would say is that I do believe in a politics of inclusion. I do believe in a politics where there's no stupid questions and people are able to ask questions. I think the Green Party has unique space and a unique ability to be able to do that. I just think very often in the past when that's been done, there have been bad faith in those spaces. So as leader I want to relook at how do we create those conditions where people are able to have conditions sorry able to have conversation but you know to come back to the first thing I think the precondition of those conversations has to be a respectful space where the most marginalized person in the space is able to know that that's a safe environment for them and I don't think that's too difficult to do. I think we are a compassionately party and I absolutely believe we can do that when we remember we're on the same side and actually the real problem here is reform and the future of the Labour party.

TRANSCRIPT OF CHOWN'S REPLY
The answer: I think the question was what do I think the main challenge facing trans people in the UK is at the moment and I'm going to answer this reflecting on what my trans constituents have said to me, and I've actually just been writing to to to a number of them um this week, and they've told me um that they feel uh they experienced prejudice, discrimination. They've told me they feel fear about the implications of the Supreme Court judgment and the the HRC guidance in particular. They feel hope. They've told me that we will get to a better place as a society on contested issues. um and they told me they want me to advocate for them and to um understand 2their concerns. And I've met with many of my trans constituents in my constituency surgery. Of course, I've had trans uh colleagues, family members like all of us for for years. Um, but it's been really important for me, I think, to listen to the voices of my trans constituents um, in recent months in particular and to think about how I can best represent them and um, and advocate for them. And recognizing, of course, the point that Zach made very validly, you know, just because you're Jewish doesn't mean you speak Jews. Just because you're trans doesn't mean you speak for all trans people. And there's a really there is a diversity of views among everybody. Um, as a non-trans person, I think it's really important that uh that I listen, I reaffirm it's absolutely fine to be trans. It's absolutely a valid identity. Being trans is real. Absolutely. And non-binary, of course. And I I'm sort of distressed personally, I suppose, just speaking very personally, by the um the the lack of compassion that is sometimes there in the debate over trans rights um among a range of people. And I'm not saying this is on one side or another at all. I think that we all really need to listen to each other. I think we all need to avoid jumping to conclusions about each other. I think we need as a party to be able to have open conversations about contested issues and that's not just about fights could be about I know HS2 want all sorts of issues but there's there are sometimes issues where things seem to really get very crunchy and as a party I think compassion needs to be our absolute guiding principle um and we absolutely can respect fact that there is a ruling in in law that is clarifying the difference between biology and and social gender. Um yes, there's a difference between sex and gender and at the same time we can continue to be we absolutely must continue to be a party that is supportive of trans rights, welcoming by trans brothers and sisters and upholding human rights and dignity for everybody. Thank you.

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ArabellaScott · 23/07/2025 07:08

'we absolutely can respect fact that there is a ruling in in law that is clarifying the difference between biology and and social gender. Um yes, there's a difference between sex and gender'

That'll be her for the gulag, then.

cariadlet · 23/07/2025 07:29

I think the Green Party TRAs (who support Zack Polanski as leader) will be signing up for the Green Party Women hustings because they'll be hoping for Adrian or Ellie to say something which they can declare to be transphobic.

fromorbit · 23/07/2025 07:36

cariadlet · 23/07/2025 07:29

I think the Green Party TRAs (who support Zack Polanski as leader) will be signing up for the Green Party Women hustings because they'll be hoping for Adrian or Ellie to say something which they can declare to be transphobic.

Indeed they will. I think they might get what they want.

What I am hoping for is someone to ask the question how the Green party can hope to win elections if they deny biology exists and keep getting sued for expelling people who believe in it.

Polanski is ducking the question.

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cariadlet · 23/07/2025 19:56

I think that the most dramatic hustings could be the LGBTIQA+ ones on 30th July (Deputy Leader and some GPEx candidates) and on 6th August (Leader and the rest of the GPEx candidates).

They have a pledge which is all about the TQ+ and which candidates can be expected to be grilled on:

Our pledges are as follows:

  1. To acknowledge wholeheartedly that fighting for LGBTIQA+ liberation goes hand in hand with fighting the climate crisis.
  2. To support and promote Green Party of England & Wales policy on LGBTIQA+ rights (including RR500 – RR539).
  3. To work with LGBTIQA+ Greens to deepen and extend the party’s support for and policies on LGBTIQA+ rights.
  4. To work with LGBTIQA+ Greens to improve GPEW policy on trans healthcare (RR532-RR534) to provide fully funded and much-needed support to all trans people, to end segregated healthcare and to support appropriate healthcare for trans youth based on informed consent, Gillick competency and internationally recognised best practice.
  5. To support LGBTIQA+ Greens to make further gains in ensuring GPEW provides a welcoming, safe and nourishing environment for LGBTIQA+ members.
  6. In light of the recent Supreme Court ruling, to work with LGBTIQA+ Greens and wider queer society, organisations and allies to campaign to protect previously established trans rights and for any changes to legislation which might be needed to ensure this protection.
  7. To fight for reform of the Gender Recognition Act to provide a kinder and less bureaucratic process for recognising trans people’s gender in law.
  8. To support efforts to increase the number of LGBTIQA+ candidates for election to internal positions and to public office.
  9. To campaign for this government to bring forward a genuine ban on conversion therapy. Conversion therapy includes medical, psychiatric, psychological, religious, cultural or any other interventions that seek to change, “cure”, or suppress the sexual orientation and/or gender identity of a person. Any ban must protect all LGBTIQA+ people, which includes providing genuine protection for trans people.
  10. To stand in solidarity with LGBTIQA+ communities worldwide by working with international Green parties to oppose anti-LGBTIQA+ legislation and to promote global human rights and liberation.
cariadlet · 23/07/2025 22:11

Zack Polanski saying live on air that men should be given access to women's refuges if they call themselves women.
x.com/treesey/status/1948120618567864540?t=o5swZgRagQUgSj-99WhLbg&s=19

Codlingmoths · 24/07/2025 06:34

cariadlet · 23/07/2025 19:56

I think that the most dramatic hustings could be the LGBTIQA+ ones on 30th July (Deputy Leader and some GPEx candidates) and on 6th August (Leader and the rest of the GPEx candidates).

They have a pledge which is all about the TQ+ and which candidates can be expected to be grilled on:

Our pledges are as follows:

  1. To acknowledge wholeheartedly that fighting for LGBTIQA+ liberation goes hand in hand with fighting the climate crisis.
  2. To support and promote Green Party of England & Wales policy on LGBTIQA+ rights (including RR500 – RR539).
  3. To work with LGBTIQA+ Greens to deepen and extend the party’s support for and policies on LGBTIQA+ rights.
  4. To work with LGBTIQA+ Greens to improve GPEW policy on trans healthcare (RR532-RR534) to provide fully funded and much-needed support to all trans people, to end segregated healthcare and to support appropriate healthcare for trans youth based on informed consent, Gillick competency and internationally recognised best practice.
  5. To support LGBTIQA+ Greens to make further gains in ensuring GPEW provides a welcoming, safe and nourishing environment for LGBTIQA+ members.
  6. In light of the recent Supreme Court ruling, to work with LGBTIQA+ Greens and wider queer society, organisations and allies to campaign to protect previously established trans rights and for any changes to legislation which might be needed to ensure this protection.
  7. To fight for reform of the Gender Recognition Act to provide a kinder and less bureaucratic process for recognising trans people’s gender in law.
  8. To support efforts to increase the number of LGBTIQA+ candidates for election to internal positions and to public office.
  9. To campaign for this government to bring forward a genuine ban on conversion therapy. Conversion therapy includes medical, psychiatric, psychological, religious, cultural or any other interventions that seek to change, “cure”, or suppress the sexual orientation and/or gender identity of a person. Any ban must protect all LGBTIQA+ people, which includes providing genuine protection for trans people.
  10. To stand in solidarity with LGBTIQA+ communities worldwide by working with international Green parties to oppose anti-LGBTIQA+ legislation and to promote global human rights and liberation.

Is there a different part of this event that maybe mentions the environment?? What a total waste, maybe someone could sue to take the name Green Party and campaign for the environment. Rainbow party is available.

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 24/07/2025 08:56

I don't know whether I'm more angry or sad that a party that began as the Ecology Party has been so completely hijacked. It's hard to believe that I leafletted for them 20 years ago and briefly contemplated joining.

wonderstuff · 24/07/2025 09:21

I stood as a candidate for the greens in local elections. I left when they expelled a few women who didn’t hold the line and found I was unable to vote in an internal election, possibly for technical reasons but felt like it might be more sinister. It’s a shame, but I think k the issue is that they’re too unstable. Which is going to be a problem in small democratic organisations, they are vulnerable to a take over.

cariadlet · 24/07/2025 09:30

I'm currently listening to last night's LBC interview on catch up. Zack was predictably slimy and misogynistic but Adrian came out better than I had expected.
https://share-lbc.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/episodes/2zGwphNxuzTsrev3gYKDt1emm3/

Iain Dale

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https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/episodes/2zGwphNxuzTsrev3gYKDt1emm3/

fromorbit · 24/07/2025 09:42

Ooh getting nasty. In the LBC green debate Ramsay asked Polanski about women's refuges. It went badly.

teresa smith

The Green Party of England & Wales.

First speaker, Adrian Ramsay MP, asks Zack Polanski a question about women’s rights to single sex services - in this instance, a domestic violence refuge - following the ForWomenScot UKSupremeCourt ruling.

IainDale follows up:

(On LBC)

https://x.com/treesey/status/1948120618567864540

His answer defends letting anyone with a penis into a refuge if they say they are trans - but he tries to hedge out of it by saying it has to be someone who has been trans for ages. So is there going to be a system for that? Obviously this is illegal. More deeply imagine Polanski becomes leader and he says that kind of stuff in a general election debate. It will happen people will ask the question. If he thinks like this he probably thinks the same about sports and prisons which the public even more deeply disagrees with.

Remember we know rapey men use trans stuff to get into refuges and lie to staff.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11392601/Transgender-paedophile-caught-duping-staff-71-day-stay-domestic-violence-refuge.html

I still think Polanski is probably going to win as he has managed to get thousands of left supporters to join to vote for him. Unless existing members get heavily energised which they generally don't.

However there is a clear division between the two sides. Polanski's plan has electoral advantages, unless the Corbyn party exists, if it does they will have a big big problem They will then have gone left and be competing for votes and media, while moderate progressives who used to go Green in some areas will be turned off and may go lib dem or Labour.

Transgender paedophile duped staff for 71-day stay at women's refuge

Paedophile Katie Dolatowski, 22, who was born male, duped staff into letting her stay at a Leeds domestic violence refuge for women and children for 71 days.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11392601/Transgender-paedophile-caught-duping-staff-71-day-stay-domestic-violence-refuge.html

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ValerieDoonican · 24/07/2025 09:52

cariadlet · 23/07/2025 19:56

I think that the most dramatic hustings could be the LGBTIQA+ ones on 30th July (Deputy Leader and some GPEx candidates) and on 6th August (Leader and the rest of the GPEx candidates).

They have a pledge which is all about the TQ+ and which candidates can be expected to be grilled on:

Our pledges are as follows:

  1. To acknowledge wholeheartedly that fighting for LGBTIQA+ liberation goes hand in hand with fighting the climate crisis.
  2. To support and promote Green Party of England & Wales policy on LGBTIQA+ rights (including RR500 – RR539).
  3. To work with LGBTIQA+ Greens to deepen and extend the party’s support for and policies on LGBTIQA+ rights.
  4. To work with LGBTIQA+ Greens to improve GPEW policy on trans healthcare (RR532-RR534) to provide fully funded and much-needed support to all trans people, to end segregated healthcare and to support appropriate healthcare for trans youth based on informed consent, Gillick competency and internationally recognised best practice.
  5. To support LGBTIQA+ Greens to make further gains in ensuring GPEW provides a welcoming, safe and nourishing environment for LGBTIQA+ members.
  6. In light of the recent Supreme Court ruling, to work with LGBTIQA+ Greens and wider queer society, organisations and allies to campaign to protect previously established trans rights and for any changes to legislation which might be needed to ensure this protection.
  7. To fight for reform of the Gender Recognition Act to provide a kinder and less bureaucratic process for recognising trans people’s gender in law.
  8. To support efforts to increase the number of LGBTIQA+ candidates for election to internal positions and to public office.
  9. To campaign for this government to bring forward a genuine ban on conversion therapy. Conversion therapy includes medical, psychiatric, psychological, religious, cultural or any other interventions that seek to change, “cure”, or suppress the sexual orientation and/or gender identity of a person. Any ban must protect all LGBTIQA+ people, which includes providing genuine protection for trans people.
  10. To stand in solidarity with LGBTIQA+ communities worldwide by working with international Green parties to oppose anti-LGBTIQA+ legislation and to promote global human rights and liberation.

Oh for the love of God...

cariadlet · 24/07/2025 09:54

Adrian: "gender critical views are respected in law … any sensible organisation has got to be able to have a range of views within it …. What you haven't been able to answer is whether you will respect the law … (tried to say more but Zack talked over him) … we saw our health spokesperson thrown out of the party for reasons that were completely flimsy …. I believe in standing up against injustice whenever I see it."

Zack: "I don't think a gender critical person should be a spokesperson for a progressive organisation."

SionnachRuadh · 24/07/2025 10:57

However there is a clear division between the two sides. Polanski's plan has electoral advantages, unless the Corbyn party exists, if it does they will have a big big problem They will then have gone left and be competing for votes and media, while moderate progressives who used to go Green in some areas will be turned off and may go lib dem or Labour.

So here's the problem - if Corbyn eventually stops dithering and launches his party, that will immediately corner the slice of the electorate that Polanski wants to aim for. Indeed many of the people who've joined to support Polanski will just clear off to the Corbyn party. There's a non-zero chance of Polanski going with them, otherwise he'll be a leader with most of his faction having defected very soon after his election.

It would be a bit like the Conservatives making Jenrick leader and then most of Jenrick's supporters defecting to Reform - which may yet happen!

ValerieDoonican · 24/07/2025 11:01

Zack does an awful lot of presuming doesn't he? - presuming his echo chamber is the whole country (apart of course from those gender critical bigots who are lurking beyond the pale but obviously shouldn't be allowed in....)

DifferentChoicesTooLate · 24/07/2025 11:13

What ‘case by case’ examples are we going to go by? Is that not massively transphobic? If a man says he’s a woman aren’t we just supposed to accept that?

DifferentChoicesTooLate · 24/07/2025 11:14

Unless the Greens do something dramatic I will never ever vote for them again.

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