Disability Rights: 50% of trans people are disabled

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The full statement is here:
https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/disability-rights-uk-opposes-uk-supreme-court-ruling-‘biological-sex’?srsltid=AfmBOooL_DLt2ICsIzkNI8RfYmVptrvAcV4Z6sTZCnqR3o97kzFnwEFH

The opening paragraph is this:
Disability Rights UK is deeply saddened by the UK Supreme Court’s ruling that declares trans women are not 'biological women'. As part of a movement that has always called for ‘nothing about us without us’ – we’re particularly concerned by the court’s exclusion of Trans voices in their decision, and their failure to be led by the lived experience of one of society’s most silenced groups. Decisions about any group’s rights should never be made without the involvement of those most impacted.

Later it says:
Around half of Trans people are also Disabled. Government policies already place disproportionate barriers on accessing vital healthcare, and now this ruling also erodes their protections against discrimination.

Can it really be true that half the T population is disabled? All those strapping young men and women who've turned out to hiss and spit and threaten over the years would suggest otherwise. So would the huge, angry TW who has cut a decimating swathe through every woman-only service in my area, or the men in pink at last week's trans rights march moaning about the loos at Waterloo.

Is this lining up disabled loos for TWs?

There are always plenty of people in mobility scooters, with walking sticks at trans marches. I believe the drugs they take are really damaging. The fit, angry guys often aren't trans themselves, just protesting.

I wonder if this includes autism, in which case possibly.

It really shouldn't be much of a stretch to think that someone who identifies are the opposite sex could also identify as being disabled even when they are not.

Almost certainly as an invisible disability so yes it doesn’t surprise me at all

Lots of people receiving disability benefits are receiving them not for physical disablities but for mental and emotional health issues..........as the recent attention given to the disability benefits bill revealed.

I'd expect of that half for there to be a significant amount of self-diagnosed mental illnesses.

Disability may include or be defined as those claiming disability benefits, and I have seen quite a few activists claim disability benefits on the basis of anxiety or depression.

When you factor in mental health issues, I don't think it is surprising that many trans people are disabled.

However, I don't think that pretending that people are the opposite sex so that they can have access to single sex spaces is a reasonable adjustment.

Omnicause protestors sometimes feel barely distinguishable from the men who attended football matches for the opportunity to discharge their discontent in the various ruckus and fights.

ETA this is wrt ‘young, fit’ angry people.

Sigh.
It will be people with connective tissue disorders like ehlers-danlos, which is strongly linked with autism, which is strongly linked with being trans.

I assume it will be mental health conditions. As I understand it, if you have had for example diagnosed depression or another mental disorder for 12+ months you are classed as disabled

Yep. Disability has a much wider range these days. So if (as?) it includes forms of autism adhd etc etc then of course sexually confused / in gay confusion - denial (or trans as labelled by GIDS and stonewall) are known to have higher levels of autism.

I wonder how much the tax payer is paying for these disabled transwomen (men with mental health issues). I accept that’s likely to be a contentious question but there’s a truth at its root.

Either way the disability rights org are on the wrong side of history here. Poor disabled women having to put up with trans identifying men in their toilets now. It’s always others being told to or asked to give up their rights for men.

I'd like to know what the evidence for this statement is, particularly as it feels so unlikely. Clearly, if it is indeed true, then it should be investigated further.

Thank you all. Lots to think about.

Interesting about Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. The two people I know who have it are GC, one of them a very public Terf.

Evidence isn't something the artists formerly known as the Right Side of History care for.

Disability Rights UK is deeply saddened by the UK Supreme Court’s ruling that declares trans women are not 'biological women'.

I find the above opening paragraph odd.
I could understand them saying they are saddened that the ruling stated trans women are not women.

But sad that they are not biological women??
Did they expect the court to declare they were?

I’m autistic. And I’m fed up with all of the groups I’m in for autistic women being open to trans women. Lots of posts start with ‘if you don’t believe TWAW your comment is not welcome’

Don’t conflate the two - there are probably loads of autistic women who feel like I do but you can’t say anything otherwise you get thrown out of the group!

An extremely high proportion of trans people are autistic so I don’t find this figure surprising at all (especially when so many disability/autism/CAMHS groups actively promote trans inclusion and assert that everyone has a gender identity, and that if you don’t feel like you fit in, you might be trans).

Some ND conditions are considered a disability so it doesn’t really surprise me

There’s nothing wrong with TW using disabled loos. I use them personally. Hundreds of thousands of parents up and down the country use them as they are often the location of the baby change (even if according to Part M they shouldn’t be!)

Our main objective should be keeping them out of women’s.

The rest is not our problem (ie. Whether they use accessible or men’s) and considering the conversation we just had and you now immediately start this thread against TW using disabled loos; it is seriously making me question your motives and whether you are who you say you are.

As I said previously demanding ‘men’s only’ makes our position untenable in the long run. Option of third space is the only reasonable long term answer.

And if we move/ provide for more baby change (in men’s and women’s) ; that’s a hell of a lot of capacity freed up!

I have spoken about this enough today so will not be replying to posters. But it’s something to think about and I implore anyone who reads this to please think it through.

There’s nothing wrong with TW using disabled loos.

So says a non disabled person? Disabled people don’t need their dedicated facilities being used by able bodied people. Many disabled people can’t use the usual toilets. So they’re supposed to shit themselves whilst waiting for Maggie May do his wig?

Transactual did a survey in 2021 and came up with the figure of 46% of the just under 700 respondants self identifying as disabled according to a definition from the Equality Act. Maybe it's based on something similar?

The link up above also leads on to a blog post about the similarities between trans and disability activism. I read it and it was crazed.

I agree. I found that bit really odd.

Disability Rights UK should know meaning of biological. Transwomen never have been, and never will be biological women.

Maybe this is the issue. I don't identify as disabled. I am disabled and get on with that being my reality. Same as being a woman.

There is a big correlation with autism