Disability Rights: 50% of trans people are disabled

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The full statement is here:
https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/disability-rights-uk-opposes-uk-supreme-court-ruling-‘biological-sex’?srsltid=AfmBOooL_DLt2ICsIzkNI8RfYmVptrvAcV4Z6sTZCnqR3o97kzFnwEFH

The opening paragraph is this:
Disability Rights UK is deeply saddened by the UK Supreme Court’s ruling that declares trans women are not 'biological women'. As part of a movement that has always called for ‘nothing about us without us’ – we’re particularly concerned by the court’s exclusion of Trans voices in their decision, and their failure to be led by the lived experience of one of society’s most silenced groups. Decisions about any group’s rights should never be made without the involvement of those most impacted.

Later it says:
Around half of Trans people are also Disabled. Government policies already place disproportionate barriers on accessing vital healthcare, and now this ruling also erodes their protections against discrimination.

Can it really be true that half the T population is disabled? All those strapping young men and women who've turned out to hiss and spit and threaten over the years would suggest otherwise. So would the huge, angry TW who has cut a decimating swathe through every woman-only service in my area, or the men in pink at last week's trans rights march moaning about the loos at Waterloo.

Is this lining up disabled loos for TWs?

"Most silenced"?!?!?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

My thoughts exactly! 😂

This seems an especially important point at the moment when so many transwomen are lamenting the loss of sharing make-up tips, long chats and tampons(!) with other women in the toilets.

I can absolutely see the disabled loos becoming a hangout for groups of trans teens all doing their hair and makeup in some sort of utterly misguided protest for not being allowed in the ladies.

The attached blog

Disabled people can help to shine a light on the failures of a biologically gendered worldview.

Biology = science = 2 sex class
&
gendererd = ???

If you have a hysterectomy as a result of having endometriosis, does that make you ‘less of a woman’?

Nope
🦧🤷‍♀️

If you have hypogonadism, meaning you produce less testosterone than ‘normal levels’, does that make you less of a man?

Errrrr 🙄.......

someone did not follow that train of thought 🚂 to the last station on the line 🚉 👀

Do the biological markers we rely on to decipher gender suddenly get blown wide open when we consider Disabled bodies?

In medicine is it really that important to know the sex of the individual who needs treatments?

Does the sex of the person matter or have a different impact in the community or is it always only the diability itself?

Because when we pump resources into making hormone replacement therapy (HRT) more accessible, menopausal women win, people who want to take contraception win, Trans people win.

Language
And is that a half assed attempt at abortion rights?

When we make medical procedures free and accessible for all who need, want and consent to them, Disabled people win.

Yep because cosmetic surgery is just the same as life saving surgery. Thats why Dr's. yeet the teets and co. opted in to breast ops and out of heart ops

As someone who is disabled, I have a major issue with this statement.

It makes me rethink who they are and what they actually stand for re disabled people

so lonely, housebound (and thus screenbound) disabled people are attracted to the trans community because it gives them a sense of belonging that is not about their disability.

Hey, disabled people are not stupid you know.
Most disabled peoole actually look for people with the same issues than them. Because no one else understand as well what our disability, it’s means.
We dint need ‘a sense if belonging that isn’t our disability’. It’s a lot of crap. And very ableist.

Good grief. It just gets worse

I suspect a portion of that may be self diagnosis.

Sorry you replied before I could edit and make clear what I meant. I truly did not mean ‘all disabled’ people (my DD is one); I meant the small section of disabled people who pitch up at the trans rallies, but completely fucked up how I expressed that.

Yes, this is my position as well. And I find the idea that one can “identify” as disabled as offensive as the idea that one can “identify” as a woman.

https://theros.org.uk/information-and-support/osteoporosis/causes/transgender-trans-people-and-osteoporosis/ plus the higher risk of heart problems strokes, blood clots.

Disabled people haven’t won their battles for visibility, respect and support yet maybe disability rights could concentrate on disabled people’s rights first. 50% of trans people may have a disability but 100% of disabled people definitely do. Oh and noted it’s the transwomen that need the suppport, no mention of the transmen. Typical.

@AnSolas so they're arguing that trans identifying men are not men. While at the same time, saying men with less testosterone are still men ?

If you have hypogonadism, meaning you produce less testosterone than ‘normal levels’, does that make you less of a man?

Or am I have serious reading comprehension failure

Indeed!

Our main objective should be looking at the safest solutions for everyone including the most medically vulnerable.

Disabilities cover a wide range of conditions. Sometimes the disabled toilet is more dangerous for people with disabilities, so single sex toilet designs are much safer. Any disability which means you need assistance quickly if you collapse needs those safety gaps from floor to door. The pull cord is only of use if you are aware and able enough to pull it, it works, and someone responds to it. Mixed sex spaces are designed for privacy - which is not a good combination. People take advantage of the privacy.

What would be great is more single sex designs for wheelchair users/ those who need a larger toilet cubicle area, inside the women’s. Like an extension of ambulant toilets. They can have the safety gaps between the floor and door so that there’s a greater chance of getting assistance.

The problem with allowing both sexes into toilet areas means toilet cubicle/room design has to be private which adversely affects the disabled more.

Everyone is at their most vulnerable if they have collapsed or under threat and there is no one to see they need assistance.

The blog would disagree😀
Mid way it slides into forgetting this is to be published in a "disability" web page

Being Trans is Disabling
Being Trans is Disabling. Trans people are almost twice as likely to be Disabled as our non-Trans counterparts.

My biological male relative identifies as a Trans woman and as the most misfortunate soul on the planet. He would definitely self certify for disability and really sadly play on it for benefits, undermining the much needed support net for others.
He's actually depressed and for 30 years has failed to develop any healthy coping strategies. He has got into a structured routine with the functioning alcohol dependence. He's currently stressed about going into work because of the loo situation, he did manage to cope with the gents for the first 45 years of his life so I'm sure he'll figure it out.

When you look at the crowds at trans activist demos...you'll see a lot of odd balls, mis-fits, those who are clearly on the autistic spectrum, many young people who are overweight and not conventionaly attractive...for whom this sort of activism gives them a way to fit in and to belong, to make friends, to find their tribe. People who might be quite socially isolated if it wasn't for on-line and gaming culture. Dressing up like superheroes or manga characters. Make believe and fantasy.

Nope dont think you are having a comprehension the problem

The no penis v no hysterectomy would not work either😬

And that is also ignoring that women produce testosterone so hypogonadism is i understand just a male only medical problem

And that high testosterone is also a womans issue as it indicates possible serious health conditio s

And mental health also.

Me too. Has anyone got a good response to send them? One that makes it clear how much we disagree.

Exactly this!

But the bigger issue will be disabled toilets getting turned into gender-neutral+accessible toilets because it’s the easiest way for places to provide a gender-neutral option.

They won’t be trans+disabled toilets, they’ll be open to all: ‘everyone that wants a numbed 2 in more privacy’, ‘any one that is sick or has diarrhea’, ‘the parent who wants to bring their kids in with them’, ‘anyone that just comes across that toilet first’.

Disabled people, like my DD, who rely on these toilets won’t be able to access them or they’ll be in a horrific state for them.

I have this through carefully, as you implored us to do, and my conclusion is that your suggestion that we should just make sure transwomen don't use our toilets, and not bother about them using accessible toilets would be acting from a position of self-interest, rather than a position of principle.

The principle in question is that women's toilets are for women, men's toilets are for men, and accessible toilets are for disabled people who need adapted toilets.
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We all agree that there's no way of policing who uses what toilet - for generations women have relied on trust that men will not enter single sex spaces, and that has mostly worked, until recently. Similarly, disabled people have to rely on trust that able-bodied people will not use accessible toilets, and will leave them free for people who actually, physically need them.

So when we argue that women's single sex toilets are for women only, and accessible toilets are only for disabled people who need them, we are arguing on the basis of the same principle of rights, and trust that people will respect those rights without have to be policed into doing so.

There is no justification in principle and no physical justification for transwomen using the women's toilet. Accessible toilets are not up for grabs as a convenient 'third space', and they are not a consolation prize for transwomen being told they should never have been using the women's toilets.

'you now immediately start this thread against TW using disabled loos; it is seriously making me question your motives and whether you are who you say you are.'
I can't understand your logic here - obviously we are women and our motives are to defend our rights; some of us are also disabled people who defend our rights, but we don't see those as completely separate matters of principle, as you seem to.
However, since you say you aren't going to post any more here, we'll never know what you mean about motives and if we are who we say we are????

This rate wouldn't surprise me in the least, having a look around LinkedIn and there are so many gender diverse people 'Open for Work', 'Looking for Opportunities' etc. They often seem to use the platform as a way to air grievances with interviews and sort of 'normative' they encounter. They seem exhausting and not at all focused on what they can bring to their employer. No wonder British productivity is so low.