Disability Rights: 50% of trans people are disabled

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The full statement is here:
https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/disability-rights-uk-opposes-uk-supreme-court-ruling-‘biological-sex’?srsltid=AfmBOooL_DLt2ICsIzkNI8RfYmVptrvAcV4Z6sTZCnqR3o97kzFnwEFH

The opening paragraph is this:
Disability Rights UK is deeply saddened by the UK Supreme Court’s ruling that declares trans women are not 'biological women'. As part of a movement that has always called for ‘nothing about us without us’ – we’re particularly concerned by the court’s exclusion of Trans voices in their decision, and their failure to be led by the lived experience of one of society’s most silenced groups. Decisions about any group’s rights should never be made without the involvement of those most impacted.

Later it says:
Around half of Trans people are also Disabled. Government policies already place disproportionate barriers on accessing vital healthcare, and now this ruling also erodes their protections against discrimination.

Can it really be true that half the T population is disabled? All those strapping young men and women who've turned out to hiss and spit and threaten over the years would suggest otherwise. So would the huge, angry TW who has cut a decimating swathe through every woman-only service in my area, or the men in pink at last week's trans rights march moaning about the loos at Waterloo.

Is this lining up disabled loos for TWs?

That’s the thing with personal experiences. Theyre just that. Not a reflection of general trends. That’s why we have research.

This is a very insulting and damaging attitude. Unless you have a disability, accessible facilities are not yours to use or grant other people permission to use. They are an extremely hard-fought for necessity for disabled people (including those with invisible disabilities), to allow us to participate in society. No one has the right to take essential provisions away from those who followed correct procedure and lobbied government for their requirements to be met via disabled facilities mandated in law. FFS, such a shitty and entitled attitude against disabled people…

Disabled people are already protected under the equality act.

but it's lazy. And is part of a wider EDS bashing which has popped up. Yes there is a link between ASD and trans. And also a link between EDS and ASD.But it doesn't follow that having EDS makes you more likely to be trans. If you could share published research that refutes that please share

My experience of having to wait for a disabled/accessible loo is quite different from yours. And the number of times I've waited to find it's men on two feet who outnumber women on two feet. As a wheelchair user I can't actually access the others. Believe me, if I could I would.

Your comment about more disabled loos is derisory qiven the length of time it took to get them in the first place.

Maybe transpeople ie biological men shouting might drive change more quickly.

Yet disabled children with invisible disabilities have no safe toilets in many schools because they are all private cubicles - so if they collapse through a hypo or seizure they won’t be seen. I think single sex toilets with gaps at the bottom is a very reasonable adjustment to keep people safe.

Bear in mind that trans ideologues are HumptyDumptyists ('When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean— neither more nor less!'
^'The question is,' said Alice, whether you CAN make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be^ master—that's all.' Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland) so their definition of disability may be entirely different to yours, may completely unrelated to what the rest of us, slightly better anchored in reality, understand by disability.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9806399/

17 percent of ED cohort report trans identity vs 1.3 percent of general population

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20503121251315021?icid=int.sj-abstract.similar-articles.7

EDS rate at a gender identity clinic

0.02 % prevalence in general population
2.6 % prevalence in gender clinic

Disability Rights is hugely pro trans and has posted various TRA stuff on fb and been handed their arse in the comments by many disabled people who are pissed off that they are focusing on trans issues and presuming to speak on our behalf about this subject.
They should stick to their remit ie disabled people especially when the UK is still so inaccessible and when disability benefits are under attack.
Reminds me of the Greens who seem to have got bored with climate change.
Whilst I agree that autism appears to be a factor especially for confused young girls, Disability Rights is helping nobody with this statement.

That particular study was 28 adolescent patients at one clinic. It would be unwise to make any assumptions based on a tiny group of hand selected subjects in a poorly designed study.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22323/

It was the fact that there were 28 patients with EDS in a clinic that was unusual in itself, given that it's a rare condition in the general population. 0.02 percent, reportedly.

Phunkychicken asked for research evidence, so I am sharing what's available.

So are transpeople. To the detriment of disabled people now.

@Lyannaa me too!! I never bother joining any anymore as I am a Terf.

Sorry - that's wrong

It's 28 of 166 in total pediatric EDS patients who attended a eds clinic during the study period who report a trans identity.
Given EDS is quite rare that's a pretty big pediatric EDS cohort, non self selecting though self-reporting of their identity.

Actually surprised its that low. Every trans individual I've encountered has had some disability, typically Autism or similar.

The referrals to the Tavistock gender clinic showed that nearly all the young people had other issues, like being in care, having autism, being adopted, having a parent on the sex offenders clinic. Ehlos Dahners may just be yet another condition/issue causing distress and leading people who have it to turn to gender ID as a solution.

Yes, I think the type of people who enjoy pretending to be disabled are the same as the trans types.

Can I challenge you to actually find people who ‘enjoy pretending to be disabled’?

I’m getting sick of the constant attacks on disabled peoole insinuating were just faking.
You have issues with trans people, fair enough. I have issues too.
But just leave disabled people out of your ‘faking’ imagery

I don't think anyone is insinuating disabled people are faking it, just that some people do actually fake being disabled - eg that guy who not only identified as a woman but also identified as wheelchair user, even though he had no physical disability what so ever:

Jørund Viktoria Alme, 53, a senior credit analyst in Oslo, has no physical handicaps, but now identifies as a disabled woman. In an interview on 'Good Morning Norway' last week, the programme introduced Alme as someone who "uses a wheelchair even though her legs are completely healthy”,

You can google him, it's completely insane. He admits he identifies as a woman who is paralysed from the waste down.

I shouldn't laugh at the typo re waste/waist, but it couldn't be more appropriate!

Although I'd add in waste up too.

😂😂😂

"uses a wheelchair even though her legs are completely healthy”

So an able-bodied person self-IDing as disabled is magical thinking and not to be believed, whereas a man self-IDing as a woman is to be accepted and not challenged.

Complete and utter incoherence.

Insanity starts at home. No wait. It's charity that starts at home.

I'd be anxious and depressed if I had been lied to for a long time until I believed in the ability to change sex.

Disabled toilets are almost always fully enclosed room with a lockable door, and routinely come equipped with a means to call for help.

It’s typically a pull cord that reaches to floor level and sounds an alarm at a staffed reception or similar nearby place where people are responsible for responding to the emergency cord.

The fact you don’t seem to know this is useful to make an educated guess at how many times you have used a disabled loo, and how qualified you are to casually throw them into the trans toilet debate.