Interim guidance from EHRC is out

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https://x.com/HeadWarriorTWM/status/1915853104421167211?t=qbUrcHVdtPyqVB1uZ5depA&s=19

Well apparently, if you listen to the male person on this thread, they pass completely.

The only time I see this mentioned on twitter it is by people who don’t actually pass although do look like some people might get confused initially. The one who keeps using images of JK Rowling as a gotcha is under the mistaken belief that they pass successfully. But looking at their photos they don’t.

I transitioned as a child, assimilated and built a life; a career. Everything I've ever known - the entire last 25 years of my adult life - all undone.

I think your parents and doctors should bear the responsibility here - if they transitioned a child in the 1990s and told you that you could actually change sex, even before the GRA existed, I can’t imagine why they thought this would be an easy path for you at all.

I've lived alongside you. Laughed, loved and cried alongside you. Shared moments of elation and despair. What the fuck else can I do? It's who I am - who I have always been.

It's all gone now. Written out of existence

I’m a woman and have lived, laughed, loved and cried alongside men. The notion that those tender moments and fond memories suddenly cease to exist because a statute has been clarified sounds a bit dramatic and tangential - how does that change the interactions you’ve had in your life?

Clarifying the EA doesn’t make your experiences any less real, and the only way I can possibly imagine these two things to be linked is if the reason these experiences meant so much to you was not because you valued sharing these moments with another person but because doing it specifically with a woman validated your own sense that you were also a woman.

Which is quite an unsavoury thought, as it suggests you have been using women as props in your life to support the lie your parents told you that you actually were a woman like any other.

I do feel sorry for you and other trans people in your situation, but it’s not women’s fault that your parents and doctors made terrible decisions on your behalf.

Not hate. Just ensuring that existing law is understood because for some inexplicable reason the law has been misinterpreted by some interest groups for a long time.

Women have been highlighting for years that the trans demands clashed with women’s rights to single sex spaces. Those women were shouted down and gaslit. There was insistence that there was no such clash. Can you at least now admit/recognisebthatbthisevwonen were correct?

If they continue to defy the law, it is likely that campaigns to instigate enforcement penalties in the form of fines and convictions. These won’t be hard to police as evidence will need to be produced to evidence natal sex. A swab test will suffice, which is no more intrusive than a breathalyser and is proportionate as determining sex is essential information to the investigation.

This is a very good point. Certainly some prominent members of the GI Political Lobby are making it very clear to the gvt and everyone else how little respect they have for law and for women, and this, alongside the antisocial behaviour, is possibly a bit short sighted of them. Obviously things will have to be tightened up as far as people drive them to be tightened.

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I think if we looked at the cocktail of drugs used for treatment, we wouldn’t be surprised at the ligament damage that is wrought on their bodies.

The double standards are also now exceptionally stark to those coming to this with an open and objective mind.

RW mentions concerns about 'forcing' trans people into spaces not suitable for them and this being against human rights.

This refers to requiring men to use men's spaces which they would from a GI perspective regard as mixed sex.

RW and the lobby has been perfectly happy to force this upon women without the faintest care or conscience, and that was in reality mixed sex and not perceived mixed sex. Women could either use that space and get over it or could self exclude. This was, apparently, not against anyone's human rights.

So why is it fine to do this to women, but not to men?

This has reminded me of the Iceland scandal where it was discovered that there was horse meat in the lasagne instead of beef.

People had eaten it and been unhurt - the outcry was about the deception. Iceland took away their freedom to choose.

Same same surely?

I don’t think the organisations and public bodies who bought into the TRA narrative that led them to breaking the law are irredeemable thick. They were emotionally and intellectually manipulated.

The SC ruling and EHRC guideline are a significant step towards getting them back on course. There is a requirement for them to read and understand the rulings.

I think the majority of trans people will not read the guidance or SC ruling and will instead get the ‘news’ from social media and people they trust. For many trans people, trusted sources will be TRAs.

Yes, they still need the numbers for their rallies, so they need to keep the young, better-looking people on board, otherwise it will just be middle-aged men in dresses shouting abuse at women, which never goes down well.

And putting kids whose parents put them on puberty blockers front and centre in their campaigning lends weight to the argument that “most” trans people pass.

The only reason the trans activism movement got as far as it did in recent years was by recruiting children and young people to increase the cuteness factor and emphasise their vulnerability.

Or it’s the motor problems associated with autism. Also very visible in hyper mobility of the hands/fingers and very flat feet.

I mean, most journalists and even Baroness Levitt in the HoL got the wrong end of the stick on the SC Ruling, so and since most people aren’t going to sit down and read the 88-page judgment themselves, they do rely on the people briefing them.

Except the horse meat hasn't raped, abused and publicly sent death threats to the beef tbf.

Interesting. Thanks.

Yes - I’ve already seen some comments along the lines “OMG they’re trying to legislate trans people out of existence”

There has been a pivot.

For years we have had trans visibility initiatives, signs on public toilets about not challenging anyone in them.

I can only imagine that this has occurred because TRA know that passing is rare. Or want to promote trans people being in spaces they stand out in.We have been told that gender is something innate and nothing to do with biology and appearance.

Now we have to think about how to cope with excluding people from where they were never supposed to be - single sex spaces? So instead of women not challenging male looking people in womens spaces, we are supposed to worry about the practicalities of female people being challenged in women's spaces and males in mens spaces?

But we have had years of trans awareness and years of being told that gender isnt sex. So im not sure what the problems is? Most people know about trans, now don't they?

It can never have been about safety and privacy because the 'don't challenge' signs.

I’m sorry you’re hurting, but all you have “lost” is “rights” you never had in the first place. Perhaps you should direct your ire to the organisations who have misled you all this time instead of towards women just standing up for themselves and their rights.

I was grasping for an analogy that the BeKind people would possibly understand. I imagine lots of them ate the lasagne drank the Koolaid

As if they haven't literally been trying to legislate female people out of legal existence for years.

It’s a scandal that Stonewall and others have misrepresented the law and misled trans people. That was cruel and they’re the ones who need to step up and sort this out for their community. It’s not women’s problem to solve

I think the word I've been searching for is megalomania. They genuinely thought they could interpret laws in the most bizarre fashion possible, in order to benefit a handful of men, and keep the money rolling in.

It's not as though they didn't get pushback, women have been pushing back against this for years and years. They absolutely knew who it was damaging. They couldn't give a flying fuck.

Who does that?? And how do you get so many of them together in one place, all hell bent on the same thing, when that thing is so fucking weird.

I've said it before, but I genuinely think that recruiting was a lot easier over this issue, because so many men get aroused by it.

Everyone knows that men's boners are the most important thing in the universe.

if you can harness men's sexual desire, you can do fucking anything

I think I’d assume the birth certificate wasn’t his!

This is universal.

I was queueing with some other women for the unisex toilets at a popular French tourist attraction recently when a man strolled past the queue as if to go straight in.

When he was challenged, he said, "Oh, I thought this was the queue for the women's toilets!" and was told that no, the toilets were unisex and he had to queue like everyone else.

I think about this every time I see someone authoritatively say that single sex toilets don't exist in France.

He’s not a woman. He’s a very naughty boy!

I think I’d assume the birth certificate wasn’t his!

This.

I think the orginal intention of the GRC and changing birth certificates could have only been about government interations, not public ones.

To change a tax code, pension date, or marriage and death certificates.

Because as soon as there's a question about someone's sex, the birth certificate doesnt look genuine. Similar to a 15 year old using their older brothers birth certificate to prove they are 18. It doesn’t magical make them an adult, just someone with questionable id.

Its the same with passports and driving licences as proof of sex. They dont, if anything they just out the person as trans.

I've said it before, but I genuinely think that recruiting was a lot easier over this issue, because so many men get aroused by it.

Everyone knows that men's boners are the most important thing in the universe.

Yup.

I mean I don't like to make uncharitable assumptions, but every time a man starts going on and on and on about genital inspections, I wonder whether he's got a taste for sissy porn.