To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment

[mids2019]

Just a bit tired of reasoned coherent argument that biological sex gives rights being met with trans people giving the impression a considered ruling clarifying existing law is somehow akin to a personal attack or the announcement of laws in 1930s Germany. So many trans people saying they are scared or fearful of 'dark days to come'.....why? It seems without counterargument tra are trying to give the vague impression of an oppressive society gradually obliterating the 'most fragile of oppressed groups'. The judgment actually reinforced general inability to discriminate for fs.

A judge has simply defined a women for the purposes of law and taken no rights away from any person but indeed reinforced existing rights for 50% of the population which was needed.

Why would men be afraid of using men's toilets? Surely that's a man problem for men to cope with?

What has it got to do with women?

@Brainworm I also listened and she is consistent in repeating this, it is so important. She does it brilliantly. To me it is clear she understands and takes the time to listen carefully to the trans persons points, but she always makes her point professionally and, I think, respectfully.

Joanna Cherry also made the same point very strongly on the Iain Dale LBC show on 16 April. Well worth listening to the whole session with Joanna (with Freda Wallace), Joanna was magnificent I thought.

The other side of the argument is so incoherent and emotional it's laughable.
DS1, who works in a bar was sent a work WhatsApp inviting staff to the protest yesterday. It was to protest " anti trans legislation passed in parliament ".
They don't even know what they're protesting.

After several days of feeling happy about the judgment, I've been talking to trans friends over the weekend and now feel quite sad. They are doubling down on their beliefs and feel persecuted because they have not been forced on everyone. They blame shadowy powerful fascist forces, for court cases brought by ordinary women. It's so psychologically unhealthy, and my attempts to reassure elicit responses more appropriate to finding out that one's friend is secretly a witch or an alien. This piece illustrates it:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/supreme-court-ruling-response_uk_6800fa33e4b0e7e6a3f52072

Yet again we have a man, telling women that we have to accept men telling women that men are women.

So so tiresome.

Reading the posts above, I think it's worth stressing that this isn't about 'bad trans' or even 'good trans'.

It's about males being male. It's that simple.

It's double standards for trans people to go on about wanting their privacy but have no regard for the privacy of women.

And it neglects the scenarios where sex remains relevant to trans people in various ways, because they don't cease to be male/female upon transition because biology.

There are many ways in which the ruling is in their own interests in terms of equality and it protects their own rights. The fact they don't understand it does work for them in some areas, frankly isn't my problem or for me to explain.

Above all the Equality Act is about Equality. And this seems to be the biggest fundamental thing they seem to have difficulty understanding. Well apart from reality.

In all ‘groups’ of people, there is a majority that just get on quietly with their lives and usually a much smaller number of the same group who shout loudest and they are the only ones that people hear. Isn’t this the case again where the majority of trans women are probably incredibly worried and have absolutely no intention of drawing attention to themselves at all. They just want to live their lives and be accepted. Watching the women celebrating the news on TV made me feel a bit uncomfortable even though there are elements of it I agree with. On the other hand there are some militant members of the trans community who make life difficult for the other trans women and don’t give a fair representation of the group as a whole.

I just think we need to be mindful of this before getting caught up in more hatred of a particular group of people.

Watching the women celebrating the news on TV made me feel a bit uncomfortable even though there are elements of it I agree with.

I would suggest that being uncomfortable seeing women celebrate their rights being upheld is internalised misogyny in action

Cis women always had their rights. They just wanted to take them away from women not like them.

Quite especially as ppl who feel uncomfortable about that don’t seem to be particularly bothered about trans women and their allies holding up signs like this

I mean if women celebrating makes them uncomfortable, surely the idea that ppl who disagree with you should be given a DIY labotomy with a knife should have them absolutely outraged?

TW are men - they have never had women’s rights

You crack on lovey. Your foam flecked ‘cis’ posts are most illuminating with regard to the monumental sexism that underpins ‘trans’

women took something away from men. How terribly, terribly sad

They wanted to take them back from men who are - as the SC has just confirmed - not them.

Fixed it for you. Give up.

Possibly why the SC rejected the one submission they were offered? They don’t have to take incoherent irrelevant ramblings into account.

I started out by saying that sort of thing, until I saw what many of these trans identifying men were doing once they got into the female estate, pushing and pissing, in some cases literally, on boundaries. The extreme aggressive language and behaviours, including rape and violence. The pervy stuff.
It's not hatred that GC women are displaying, but relief.

Nearly. So very nearly.

What is it you are identifying that makes a transwoman different from an actual woman? Women can't claim to be transwomen - that'd be transphobic, now wouldn't it?
So what is it that makes a transwoman, a transwoman?

I absolutely fucking love this so thank you!

Women were always protected under the EA - correct. They remain so.

Trans people have always and continue to be protected under the EA under Gender Reassignment. They are also protected under the category of sex - particularly important for Trans Men in pregnancy.

Trans people have their own rights and protections. It’s completely unreasonable to try to coerce others to give up theirs.

The clue is in the title The Equality Act - equal. Not the same. If you are struggling with the lies you’ve been told about being able to change sex then please address this to Stonewall who have deceived many people. It’s a scandal what’s been done and how you have been misled but it’s not our fault. Take it up with the people who lied

You spelled ‘men’ wrong. And yes they were our rights, they were unlawfully taken away from us and we wanted them back. This was a great victory and we won’t stop there.

I hate to tell you this but I predict that eventually Trans Terrorism will sit on the Proscribed list next to Incels. You are entitled to believe what you want but you can’t threaten, coerce or use violence on others to make them believe as you do. If the trans community don’t start saying “not in my name” soon, you’ll perhaps find your movement labelled as terrorism. Don’t say you weren’t warned

ETA I’m meaning the extremist list held by Prevent

Over on reddit there's a transgender uk sub where they are calling on people to write to their MPs, with a template wording. The title mentions transwomen. Absolutely no where in the template is there a single mention of transmen.
Damn straight it's a male rights movement.

Micaela64 · Today 09:57

Cis women always had their rights. They just wanted to take them away from women not like them.

Oh, you are a card! I'm beginning to think that you're actually a 5th Columnist, surely no one could really believe such a load of mad old bollocks like that?

Cis is a wrongly co-opted word, which, apart from being entirely unnecessary, is derogatory. Women have taken nothing from transw, they have had their rights confirmed legally and can now say "No!" to transw, without fear.

(Well, of legal repercussions, at least).

Obviously, transw aren't, weren't and will never, ever be any sort of woman. The sole qualification to be a transw is being a man.

They're trans women, not men. Sex and gender aren't the same thing. Educate yourself.

Those born of the male sex are men and remain men for the whole of their lives.

Those born of the female sex are women and remain women for the whole of their lives.

It is not possible for mammals to change sex.
Single sex services and spaces mean exactly that.

I think you need to educate yourself

trans women are men

HTH