To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment

[mids2019]

Just a bit tired of reasoned coherent argument that biological sex gives rights being met with trans people giving the impression a considered ruling clarifying existing law is somehow akin to a personal attack or the announcement of laws in 1930s Germany. So many trans people saying they are scared or fearful of 'dark days to come'.....why? It seems without counterargument tra are trying to give the vague impression of an oppressive society gradually obliterating the 'most fragile of oppressed groups'. The judgment actually reinforced general inability to discriminate for fs.

A judge has simply defined a women for the purposes of law and taken no rights away from any person but indeed reinforced existing rights for 50% of the population which was needed.

Michael Foran is always worth reading
https://knowingius.org/p/sex-has-always-meant-biological-sex

These people wish they were in America, where laws mean what politicised judges feel best fits their own political views, and not in the UK, where laws mean what Parliament intended them to mean.

Proponents of the American system would do well to remember that it works just as well for both sides.

Where did the original quote say cleansed?
I read “can’t be arsed” which isn’t the same
what am I missing?

Good point. I’ve reported them for hate speech. That sort of talk is not ok

I’m indebted for the phrase - that and narcissistic injury are illuminating.

No gloating from females, some tears of joy.

if anything, the social media response perfectly demonstrates ‘trans rights’ was always a men’s right movement. So many organisations posting their support for ‘transwomen’, often several times over.

No comments from them about women’s rights at all.

They really are narcissistic as a movement. I think this threatens a privilege many TRA’s have had. The fact that people are supposed to be extra nice and accommodating towards them, even if it’s harmful to themselves (bit like being forced to hug your pervy uncle to avoid being impolite). The fact that they are fighting for the “rights” of a minority group so they got to do a bit of moral licensing and be absolutely vile to anyone who disagreed with them. It was basically a free pass to behave in an awful way, to harass and intimidate women with impunity (including by weaponising the police). They’ve lost a lot I think (if thats what you are into ofcourse). Many of them actively seek out opportunities to violate women and have done so whilst others have patted them on the back and told them they are the actual victim, they must have really enjoyed that. I think others just enjoy the victim status are are so porn addled that they have lost touch with themselves completely outside of their fetishes.

I don’t doubt there are perfectly harmless decent transexuals out there who would be horrified at that behaviour but these days I think they are every much in the minority.

Anyhoo, it’s not my problem to fix things for men, if they want to show women their willy they should expect a jail sentence for it, not a woman of the year award. You can wear what you want and call yourself what you want, you just have to stay out of womens spaces like the other men. I truly hope this is the death of “cis” as well.

Somebody on a thread somewhere - sorry it's hard to keep track -
used the term 'catastrophising', which describes very accurately the TRA 'literal violence' 'genocide' language, and now there's all this catastrophising about the SC ruling as if trans people were being deprived of the vote, or picked up off the street and deported to Van Diemen's land, or El Salvador.

Like User37482, I associate it with narcissism and gaslighting in personal relationships - always keeping the temperature hot and the tension high, acting as if everything is on a knife-edge all the time, keeping you off-balance and vigilant..

As an abusive technique, it's very effective, and it's working for the TRAs - their hyperbole is attracting a lot of attention and a lot of support on SM.

It's a cult using cult vocabulary and tactics

"You're in danger out there, keep safe with us!"

Hilarious that a bunch of cis women think they have the right to tell trans people how they should or shouldn't feel about the ruling. Why don't you try listening to trans people for once instead of just spewing hatred at them.

Such an astonishing lack of self awareness.

Also- cisoleth flag.

You do realise we were here chatting amongst ourselves. We’re not telling anyone how to think about anything or spewing hatred - which you’d know if you read any of the posts. In fact it’s one of your comrades who was on here earlier saying horrible things about the erasure of trans people and I had to report them for hate speech. I repeatedly try to listen to trans opinion and comments to understand but all I hear is rhetoric and vitriol. Why are you on mumsnet if you don’t want a debate? Don’t you know that unsubstantiated twaddle doesn’t wash here. Best head off back to Reddit - we arent your mum so arent obliged to mollify you

ETA if you want an argument then go pick a fight with Stonewall. They took millions in public funds and failed to get trans people safe dignified facilities while lying to you all. Worse they couldn’t be bothered to intervene in the SC ruling on your behalf. Point your outrage where it’s deserved

The word is woman. Just one type of woman. No cis needed.

I know. Ridiculous to use cis and then lecture us about us things we weren’t doing - but which are the equivalent of using cis. What a numpty

I just listened to one trans person shout “give us wombs and titties”….that was enlightening.

You mean listening to messages like this soothing one from today in London?

ETA this is not my opinion. It’s an image displayed by a trans person or ally

Not a cis woman

I've known trans people since the 1980s. I used to be live and let live until trans women pushed the cotton ceiling and the idea that sex was much less important than gender. Many wanted to erase the female sex class even though my own life experiences have been defined by being a woman. (None of them share those experiences.) They can fuck off. Why should I respect them when they don't respect me or my experiences one bit?

Now, the more trans women I get to know, the less I like trans people. The last few that I knew relatively well did pervy things like rub their groin against mine when they hugged me goodbye or show off their titties even though they knew I have cptsd from sexual abuse. Quite a few seem to have Cluster B personality disorders, which I try to avoid if at all possible. (Not all trans ppl. Some are lovely. But many are not.)

Most of the people here know trans people. If you read here at all you would know that. Maybe we have objections bc we know them. If you want women to respect trans people, convince trans people to respect women and really listen to our experiences. Until they do, they can fuck off.

Think it’s time you went to bed.

This law dates back to 1975. The Sex Discrimination Act of that became part of EA10 which unified various discrimination laws 😀

Unfortunately EA2010 also introduced the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. It would have been so much better for society if those with gender dysphoria had just been able to invoke the PC of disability & the AGP crowd wouldn't have got a look in. Unfortunately I think that the genie is out the bottle so we are stuck with GR as a PC.

'cis women spewing hatred' - I think I've seen those very words on at least one other thread. Not very original ,Micaela64 .
Or maybe because there was no hatred being spewed on the other threads, you thought you'd have a go at this one?

The way I see it, trans people can feel whatever they want to about the SC ruling, but it's the rallying against an objective decision of the highest, and politically independent, court in the land that's weird.

The court reaffirmed something that had been the law all along, it didn't change any law, it didn't take anybody's rights away, but the trans reaction is as if it was some great catastrophe, like they were being targeted unfairly, or something really bad like that.

Demonstrating, with a fringe of misogyny and violence, against a ruling that 'woman' means, and has always meant 'biological woman' is such an odd reaction - how weird to be demonstrating against a statement of fact!
Next weekend flat-earthers rallying outside the Royal Geographical Society?

Whilst I agree with the Supreme Court ruling I can see the "logic" of the trans anger at it.

On a lot of issues in society there is a view that being the minority group automatically means you are the victimised group regardless of any actual victimisation.

Secondly if you are male and white then you are at the very bottom of the victimhood pyramid. But by becoming a trans woman you can instantly go right to the top of the victimhood pyramid.

What a brilliant article 😂

I’ve interacted on social media with a couple of TW, in comments in a mutual friends post. I didn’t know these people but they were following the same fact-free script as outlined here. I tried discussing facts but they could only talk about their own feelings, and how they are so upset one of them was contemplating taking their own life.

It just reinforced my view that many trans people are deeply vulnerable people who don’t necessarily have the strongest grip on reality.