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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment

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mids2019 · 18/04/2025 17:39

Just a bit tired of reasoned coherent argument that biological sex gives rights being met with trans people giving the impression a considered ruling clarifying existing law is somehow akin to a personal attack or the announcement of laws in 1930s Germany. So many trans people saying they are scared or fearful of 'dark days to come'.....why? It seems without counterargument tra are trying to give the vague impression of an oppressive society gradually obliterating the 'most fragile of oppressed groups'. The judgment actually reinforced general inability to discriminate for fs.

A judge has simply defined a women for the purposes of law and taken no rights away from any person but indeed reinforced existing rights for 50% of the population which was needed.

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KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 17:17

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 17:01

Disgusting comment

Robust maybe. Can’t see the disgusting part - please enlighten me?

MarieDeGournay · 19/04/2025 17:22

NoWordForFluffy .....I really can't see places spending time and resources they don't have changing male and female toilets to gender neutral. I can, sadly, foresee longer queues for disabled facilities which are by their nature gender neutral.

'Sadly', indeed.

This is a critical time for protection of disabled facilities as spaces for disabled people, not consolation prizes for disappointed able-bodied trans people.

Just as women have to trust that men will stay out of women's toilets, disabled people have to rely on able-bodied people staying out of accessible toilets.

Disabled people fought long and hard for accessible facilities, and it's distressing to see how quickly disability rights have been pushed way down the 'hierarchy of entitlement'. It's also revealing of how little respect TRAs have for other people's rights.

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 17:22

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 17:17

Robust maybe. Can’t see the disgusting part - please enlighten me?

If you can't see it I can't help you. Wouldn't it just be great if trans people were just cleansed from the earth eh?

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 19/04/2025 17:26

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 17:22

If you can't see it I can't help you. Wouldn't it just be great if trans people were just cleansed from the earth eh?

Really not a good idea to say stuff like that

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/04/2025 17:26

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 17:22

If you can't see it I can't help you. Wouldn't it just be great if trans people were just cleansed from the earth eh?

Is English your first language? Dwindle means to diminish gradually. in the longer term I think the number of trans people will dwindle means the poster believes the number of people who announce publicly that they are transgender will fall. What's wrong with that? She's not said they should be rounded up and exterminated, which is what you're implying.

ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 17:32

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 17:22

If you can't see it I can't help you. Wouldn't it just be great if trans people were just cleansed from the earth eh?

How rebarbative.

If you’re seeking to be better informed on the topic of social contagion and illness : diagnoses then I recommend Suzanne O’Sullivan’s books. Or even a review of her The Sleeping Beauties for a reasonable overview.

SidewaysOtter · 19/04/2025 17:33

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 17:01

Disgusting comment

Why is it “disgusting” to suggest that, if identifying as trans used to be a way into women only spaces but now it isn’t, there will quite possibly be fewer men identifying as women as a way of accessing those spaces?

Do you not accept the idea that some men who identify as women do so for nefarious reasons?

Namechange7598 · 19/04/2025 17:40

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/04/2025 17:40

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Could not agree more.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 19/04/2025 17:42

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 17:01

Disgusting comment

Here are some signs from todays March by TRA. How do these rate on your disgustometer?

To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment
To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment
To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment
Namechange7598 · 19/04/2025 17:45

After years and years of women losing their jobs and careers, being hounded, harassed, doxxed, put on lists, thrown out of pubs and venues, banned from social groups and social media, spat on, punched, suffering death and rape threats and even arrested in front of their children and thrown into cells simply for saying ‘men are not women’ it is dizzyingly joyous and liberating that we not only can, but the law backs us up. Thank god & the SC for sanity and freedom.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/04/2025 17:46

I see we have a deletion. What a surprise.

Namechange7598 · 19/04/2025 17:47

Oh I see there is still heavy handed censorship even on her ffs! My post was deleted just for saying I hoped to see fewer vulnerable children sucked into this terrible cult by social contagion and online grooming. My family’s suffering is ongoing, but who cares about that, eh?

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 18:39

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 17:01

Disgusting comment

You find it hilarious @PrettyDamnCosmic ? You're a pathetic bunch of people. Swallow a few books and articles then spew it out and nauseum over and over again, I don't think you have a genuine thought of your own in your head.

teawamutu · 19/04/2025 18:40

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 18:39

You find it hilarious @PrettyDamnCosmic ? You're a pathetic bunch of people. Swallow a few books and articles then spew it out and nauseum over and over again, I don't think you have a genuine thought of your own in your head.

Better books and evidence than Scientific American intern blogs, wishful thinking and Judith Butler, surely?

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 18:41

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/04/2025 17:26

Is English your first language? Dwindle means to diminish gradually. in the longer term I think the number of trans people will dwindle means the poster believes the number of people who announce publicly that they are transgender will fall. What's wrong with that? She's not said they should be rounded up and exterminated, which is what you're implying.

It's clearly what she would like. Why pretend? You've all made your thoughts quite clear

Felinnefine · 19/04/2025 18:41

You're a pathetic bunch of people

You, however, sound adorable.

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 18:44

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 19/04/2025 17:26

Really not a good idea to say stuff like that

No worse than all the crap already spouted on this board. Absolutely hateful people

Felinnefine · 19/04/2025 18:49

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 18:44

No worse than all the crap already spouted on this board. Absolutely hateful people

Unlike TRAs. They. Are sweet. Example below. Just a little example. There are many more demonstrating how sweet, TRA are.

A young LGBTQ rights activist who was filmed punching a 71-year-old woman in the head during the heated Posie Parker counter-protest in Auckland this year has pleaded guilty to assault.

WarriorN · 19/04/2025 18:50

RedToothBrush · 18/04/2025 20:14

Just remember. Judges in the UK are none political. They can only rule on what the intentions and purposes of politicians who made the law meant.

The supreme court ruled that the law didn't make sense and wouldn't work if sex referred to anything but biological sex. Unanimously.

This law dates back to April 8th 2010.

I think this is rather glorious every time activists start going on about the start of culture wars or a law decided by the far right.

This was, in fact, a law created by Brown's Labour government. A liberal left of centre government. A government no one would remotely describe as 'far right'.

It just proves they don't know shit and are squarking out of complete and utter ignorance.

it’s what’s known I believe amongst child psychologists (or was) as little Nero tantrums.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 19/04/2025 18:52

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 18:39

You find it hilarious @PrettyDamnCosmic ? You're a pathetic bunch of people. Swallow a few books and articles then spew it out and nauseum over and over again, I don't think you have a genuine thought of your own in your head.

I do find you comment hilarious. It’s just so OTT in response to a perfectly logical & factual post.
It’s obvious that when the AGPs LARPing as women no longer have access to female toilets & changing rooms that the whole faff of cross dressing will seem less attractive.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 19/04/2025 18:54

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 18:44

No worse than all the crap already spouted on this board. Absolutely hateful people

Your name is now linked to that comment

if you want to be known as the person who said transpeople should be ‘cleansed’ then you do you 🤷🏻

ItisntOver · 19/04/2025 18:54

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 18:44

No worse than all the crap already spouted on this board. Absolutely hateful people

Are you by any chance promoting as possessing greater knowledge or insight than those who are responding to you so helpfully?
Think so still ‘til experience change your mind.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 19/04/2025 18:54

ElliesPantry · 19/04/2025 17:22

If you can't see it I can't help you. Wouldn't it just be great if trans people were just cleansed from the earth eh?

If their mental disorder were treated better they wouldn’t need to go down the pathway of cross-sex hormones & mutilating surgery under the delusion that they are born in the wrong body.

Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 19:06

MarieDeGournay · 19/04/2025 17:22

NoWordForFluffy .....I really can't see places spending time and resources they don't have changing male and female toilets to gender neutral. I can, sadly, foresee longer queues for disabled facilities which are by their nature gender neutral.

'Sadly', indeed.

This is a critical time for protection of disabled facilities as spaces for disabled people, not consolation prizes for disappointed able-bodied trans people.

Just as women have to trust that men will stay out of women's toilets, disabled people have to rely on able-bodied people staying out of accessible toilets.

Disabled people fought long and hard for accessible facilities, and it's distressing to see how quickly disability rights have been pushed way down the 'hierarchy of entitlement'. It's also revealing of how little respect TRAs have for other people's rights.

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