To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment

[mids2019]

Just a bit tired of reasoned coherent argument that biological sex gives rights being met with trans people giving the impression a considered ruling clarifying existing law is somehow akin to a personal attack or the announcement of laws in 1930s Germany. So many trans people saying they are scared or fearful of 'dark days to come'.....why? It seems without counterargument tra are trying to give the vague impression of an oppressive society gradually obliterating the 'most fragile of oppressed groups'. The judgment actually reinforced general inability to discriminate for fs.

A judge has simply defined a women for the purposes of law and taken no rights away from any person but indeed reinforced existing rights for 50% of the population which was needed.

Blaire White has a video called something like "I went in the men's room". There are quite a few such videos by various well-passing transwomen, I just happen to like White's approach to the issues that vex the tranosphere.

Take a look, it should put your mind at rest.

Quite.

Honestly, the thing that gets me most is the outright lies still being told. Anything that does that - eg the fact it's so utterly ridiculous calling it a 'far right' thing should be ridiculed for what it is.

I think I understand the general gist of where some of this feeling is coming from, so despite being delighted with the judgement, I have some empathy with transpeople -especially the very young, even though I am certain it is unfounded.

Much of this worry is expressed in the same online spaces where many vulnerable minority groups are feeling uncomfortable rumblings of exclusion in a changing political climate; there really is a sense of the old "First they came for the..." in many spaces, with strong anti-immigration sentiments being expressed increasingly freely, disdain for the disabled finding previously unseen traction, activism in more niche areas such as climate being more harshly punished and DEI initiatives being under scrutiny (I'm a mother of a disabled young person, who works with refugee communities so I feel this change in the landscape quite keenly).

If, as a transperson, one identifies strongly with being part of a vulnerable minority group and not just simply as the opposite sex, I can see that one might feel worried that the SC ruling represents a thin edge of an exclusionary wedge.

I also think these flames are cynically fanned by TRAs, exploiting fear and vulnerability, when re-evaluation and reassessment of new ways to ensure needs are met (third spaces etc) would be much more productive.

But I think it is disingenuous and lacking in imagination to say that we simply can't understand why some transidentified people are feeling uncomfortable. Many are really young -school kids- and part of the identity is about belonging to a persecuted minority.

Fantastic!

Some of the responses remind me a an annoying over dramatic 13 year old flinging themselves face down on their bed wailing “you want me DEAD”. This whole “do you want me to not exist” line. Anyone who’s parented teens will have no truck with it.

You only have to look and see women who previously would say “I’ve got nothing against trans people, I just don’t want them in my bathroom”, since the ruling are now saying “This is great! Those filthy perverts can’t rape women in bathrooms anymore”. Seeing the levels of hatred that are being spewed now some GC women feel emboldened by the ruling leaves no doubt as to why trans people must be feeling afraid.

I’ve not looked too deeply into any of this (haven’t read the judgment) but I saw a thread from Maya Forstater on X earlier where she posted a snippet of the judgment which essentially says that trans men (aka bio women) can also be excluded from women’s spaces where there is reasonable objection to their presence due to gender reassignment giving them a masculine appearance. I appreciate the reasons for that but I don’t like it.

Trans men could reasonably find themselves in a position where they can’t use a male toilet (due to not being biologically male) and not use a women’s toilet (due to reasonable objection to their male appearance). It shouldn’t work both ways. If we’re defining sex via biological sex then bio women should be welcome in women’s spaces.

@Anonym00se I've seen none of that response, just a "common sense has prevailed, phew".
My Instagram stories are flooded with vitriolic lefty women. I'm so annoyed none of them have even tried to understand the assault to women's rights over the last 10 years. So much misogyny has been internalised - did they even read anything about the Fife nurse? Did they not care?

The Fife nurse story doesn’t make all trans women “perverts” or rapists. People can be satisfied with the ruling without displaying open hatred towards trans people.

Yes and what have they got to be afraid of, anyway? It's performative weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Have any sex realist women invited them to die in a grease fire? Rape them (not entirely sure how...) Choke them with their vibrator? Post pictures of nail studded baseball bats, huge knives, or axes?

No, of course not, but that's very common from the trans extremist side.

So again, why are they afraid? They're bragging that they're going to ignore the law and invade women's toilets anyway.

Again, how does that demonstrate fearfulnress? It doesn't, because they're lying to get pity.

TRAs have never had coherent reasonable arguments.

Where is this open hatred?

Can you show/link to proof of what you claim so that we can judge the comments for ourselves?

I am angry with women. Trans activists will do as they will but they do even seem to understand the ruling of the SC, let alone anything deeper as to why it might be important for women to be able to have some spaces to themselves.

Its the desperation to virtual signal and wave their flags so will post slogans (or worse, one is reposting Little misogynistic OJ) but with no grasp of the situation at all.

I’ve not seen anything like that from women. Is it possible you are just seeing words and then pretending you’ve read something entirely different that wasn’t actually said, seeing as you’ve just done exactly that to MrsJamin’s post?

Or is it that previously women who always felt that way now have courage to actually say how they feel as previously in saying that they disagreed with trans ideology would lead to them being called bigoted terfs and could lose them friendships, jobs, family.

Most women felt the same but were silenced by the vocal minority. They now aren't afraid to speak up and say this is wrong.

I don't understand your post at all. I have not see any hatred towards trans people this week. Disagreeing that transwomen are not women is not hatred, it's reality that unanimous judges deemed the only coherent definition and anything else was incoherent. You're similarly being incoherent.

Time for them to really push for male facilities to include whatever they get from the female facilities. They do have cubicles though, so I can't really see the problem as that's what women were told when they insisted on using the female toilets.

It wasn't long ago that trans Community and their allies were rejoicing that the new laws against hate speech in Scotland would get terfs thrown in jail for saying trans women are men on twitter.

Remember when JK Rowling said effectively If a woman is threatened with hate crime for saying a man is a man then I will repeat those words and they can come for me too. How the TRA's gleefully thought the police were coming for her.

Yeah the police had to back down and now women are very much free to say that trans women are men as it has legally been deemed so.

Had the trans Community not pushed so hard to takeover women's spaces and taken a more moderate approach to their activities they would not have got the push back they did. It was very much a 'give an inch and they'll take a mile' situation. We just want our mile back. The trans women have the TRA's to thank for what has happened now.

Why do you object to being called a cis-woman?

I'm still jiggling at the description of James O'Brien as a "knob jockey" (from the shared article for those who have opened the link!)

Imo the ruling will lead to a further proliferation of gender neutral spaces when it comes to schools, gyms, cafes etc. I think it makes it simpler for hospitals and prisons in the first instance but it's possible they go down a 2 space route in prisons ie trans women area in a female prison and vice versa.

I too have been irritated by the hysteria. At the end of the day the SC clarified the current law. That law can and might be changed. I find it an odd reaction to something that actually IS law.

Yes, the rhetoric on r/transgenderuk is insane! Third spaces are 'segregation', not being officially women is 'literal fascism', some are even saying that the end game will be 'forced conversion therapy' and denial of all treatment even to adults. I feel sorry but then I remember they're making themselves scared w non existent worries, & we are the people who were actually threatened. Some clearly have mental illnesses, but that is not our fault

Because a female woman is a tautology. Female doesn’t need to be added as a moderator because a woman is an adult human female and there is no other kind. “Cis” implies that woman can be moderated to include men, thereby making us a subset of our own class.

Trans people should be pissed off with Stonewall, not feminists. By interpreting the law as they wished it to be, and then pedalling this bad advice to service providers and employers they created a world where trans people thought they could self ID. They were led down the garden path by Stonewall who have profited handsomely from it.

I would love to see something critical of them written by someone from the TRA side, highlighting their role in this shit show.

They were sold a lie by Stonewall. The organisation supposed to be advocating for them has thrown them to the lions by conveying the law as they wished it to be. That by getting a GRC a transwoman is a woman in the eyes of the law, that gender affirming care is health care and bodies are Lego and sex can be changed. They’re now having to face the reality that this isn’t the case. Instead of lobbying and funding for services that would actually have made trans identified people safe they tried to piggyback on women’s work to take our spaces and have spent an awful lot of money doing so.

I would hope there would be a case of emperor’s new clothes and trans identified people would see what has happened and be angry at the right people but I fear their anger will remain misplaced with us and women’s rights and safety will be further eroded by mixed sex services and changing villages.

I do think many of the older transmen and transwomen are horrified at all this. They just wanted to keep their heads down and live what they assumed would be an easier life. Yes, they may have used wrong sex bathrooms but would never have dreamt of using women’s refuges or survivor groups. Their lives will just have been made infinitely harder by vocal men’s rights supporters and their dutiful well-meaning allies.

Oh god I’m sooooo bored if the testeria and the wailing and the but ‘trans men in your toilets’ and in particular the endlessly performative stupidity around “oh noooeess it’s so haaard how on earth can single sex anything be done???” as if ppl have been asked to learn advanced quantum physics in 2 hours.