To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment

[mids2019]

Just a bit tired of reasoned coherent argument that biological sex gives rights being met with trans people giving the impression a considered ruling clarifying existing law is somehow akin to a personal attack or the announcement of laws in 1930s Germany. So many trans people saying they are scared or fearful of 'dark days to come'.....why? It seems without counterargument tra are trying to give the vague impression of an oppressive society gradually obliterating the 'most fragile of oppressed groups'. The judgment actually reinforced general inability to discriminate for fs.

A judge has simply defined a women for the purposes of law and taken no rights away from any person but indeed reinforced existing rights for 50% of the population which was needed.

You might appreciate this @mids2019
www.spiked-online.com/2025/04/17/the-hilarious-meltdown-of-men-who-think-theyre-women/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6UHqPJtNPnrvDpxvy5ii_yabV6dGHIXimENoG4zBJDV1AcQqC5SS-iHfh6DA_aem_Evc8V6ziRC6kJheaeK9cQQ

Annoyed but not surprised. There is no reasoning with these people, they’re too far gone. We saw much the same after the publication of the Cass Report. Nothing but complete capitulation will ever be enough.

Their grip on reality is tenuous at the best of times, so it comes as no surprise really.

Instead of raving at us, perhaps they should be angry at whoever sold them the lies and made them believe they’re at risk of a “trans genocide” or whatever. And maybe they should also look up some history to see what real fascism looks like (hint: this ain’t it).

So I think (but I am unsure) that one fear is around a trans woman using the ladies toilet being challenged. In this scenario the trans woman is very feminine but perhaps people know they are trans simply because they know the person and then challenge the person when they try and use the ladies toilet. Where is that feminine trans person supposed to go if they need toilet assuming there is no mixed sex toilet.

I don't think this scenario is likely but this is what I have seen expressed on TV.

I'm about to be banned from tiktok for saying people should respect my right not to be called cis they replied with "do you object to being called a white woman too" as if its REMOTELY the same thing

We've heard for years that they're afraid to be anywhere near us, despite them being the ones who threaten rape & death by a varied means, so it's hardly a surprise that they're going full-on hyperbolic. It's what they do.

They'll get over it.

Whenever I feel myself starting to get annoyed I remind myself that they’re even more annoyed - because they lost.

Just remember. Judges in the UK are none political. They can only rule on what the intentions and purposes of politicians who made the law meant.

The supreme court ruled that the law didn't make sense and wouldn't work if sex referred to anything but biological sex. Unanimously.

This law dates back to April 8th 2010.

I think this is rather glorious every time activists start going on about the start of culture wars or a law decided by the far right.

This was, in fact, a law created by Brown's Labour government. A liberal left of centre government. A government no one would remotely describe as 'far right'.

It just proves they don't know shit and are squarking out of complete and utter ignorance.

I do think there is now a need to exercise caution and restraint. The Supreme Court judgement was a very important milestone, and one that set a clear precedent...but too much gloating will only increase the backlash. Enjoy the win, but don't rub it in. There is still along way to go - certainly if the goal is a longer term roll back of trans madness.

What would be destructive to the cause would be further stoking of polarisation. Suggestions of 'third spaces' and for trans activists to direct their zeal in this direction would be a better strategy for long term success, and a smoother path.

But @Shortshriftandlethal when all this started, a lot of us suggested third spaces - I remember posting somewhere about it and how it could help male parents with young children, women having miscarriages, young boys out on their own, and trans people.

We were screamed at and told we were transphobic - only complete capitulation and validation would do.

It is the obvious, common sense, solution.

That was an enjoyable read @JohnKettleyIsAWeathermanAndSoIsMichaelFish , thanks!

It’s interesting that it is being conceptualised as gloating. Everyone I know that is happy with the outcome is relieved. GC people I know are not pleased about the consequences for trans people, they see them as unavoidable and hope that the fight to eradicate sex/ female as a class will soon be over.

Yes, I know......but I'm thinking longer term strategy. Simply rubbing their faces in it could well be counter-productive. Let's enjoy the win, but keep our eyes on the ultimate goal.

All the 'we stand with our trans siblings' stuff is really irritating. Firstly, because the law hasn't changed. Trans people have exactly the same rights that they had on Tuesday. There has been somewhat of an over-reach of what those rights meant in practice, which now needs to be dialled back to be accordance with the intention of the law.

Now is the time for the trans community to take a leaf out of women's book and get campaigning, organising, crowdfunding and pulling together to effect the changes that they want.

And for men to openly welcome gender non-conforming/trans-identified men into their spaces.

Whenever I've mentioned third spaces that could be used by trans allies/people who don't mind sharing facilities with the opposite sex, I've been called a bigoted, fascist-adjacent Nazi. So I tend to think it's up to the blokes to work it out for themselves now.

@Shortshriftandlethal I agree third spaces is an obvious solution, but I don’t think many transwomen agree because they believe that they are women and going into separate, third spaces is “othering” and invalidating. Would be good though to see if the opinion has changed as this would be something I’d be happy to join in campaigning for!

It won't be over as quickly as some might hope. There will be a concerted push-back, and even with a clear ruling.....the cultural embedding will take some time and effort to uproot.

Just look at the U.S if you want a more extreme model of what sort of shit show could result.......with individual states all pushing back, for example, against Trump's ban on males in female sports. Just this week two males competed in the final of a women's fencing competition.

It doesn't matter if they agree or not..what matters is the court of public opinion and common sense. And in that realm third spaces are the obvious, reasonable solution...which is why Baronness Falkner has been suggesting it today in the press.

They’re angry because they lost. I don’t think what we say makes the slightest difference,

Yes I know! I agree with you. I am wondering if the opinion on third spaces may have shifted after the judgment.

I am thrilled to bits that sanity has prevailed

They are furious aren’t they? It’s been ages since we have had all these guests from X and reddit to call us bigots, white supremacists and tell us about intersex clown fish. They will calm down in a day or two and find another flag to fly.

Meh. They've never been told no before. Like all bullies used to trampling over other's rights and ignoring all the laws and social conventions of society, they're having tantrums because they've been told no.

Given this is the Supreme Court that's spoken, they're going to hear no a lot more as they're forced to behave in a civilised way for a democratic society.

The male loo. Obviously. HTH

But this is the hyperbolic scenario the activists quote to stir up hatred for women & feninists and yet the truth is in most cases probably 95% or more it really is quite obvious that it is a trans identities male, while they like to claim transwomen pass and are all as “feminine” as Munroe Berg….. (who is HUGE in real life which gives it away) in reality most look the the AGP’s debbie hayton himdia wiiloboy & bruce jenner, they look very obviously male! This really is VERY unlikely to be a problem. I think it’s far more likely that aggressive misogynistic activists trans idenified men will still try to access public bathrooms deliberately to intimidate women & cause conflict, they have demonstrated time & again their violent feelings towards sex realist feminists campaigners, ironically proving they are the men they say they are.

I think it will take a while. Their mantrums will get louder and their bullying worse until it becomes clear that they won't work anymore. The Supreme Court has ruled: no trans women in women's single sex facilities/services under the EA. All the whinging in the world won't change that.

Per usual, women have to be the calm adults and wait until their narcissistic rage is exhausted. I doubt they'll be interested in constructive dialog until then. Fortunately, most of us have dealt with toddlers before