"Trans women ARE biological women"

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I see this argument and comment more and more the last few weeks and hugely over the last 3 days.

For example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k1tliv/trans_women_are_biological_women/

This statement, and the comments underneath it absolutely baffle me.

The approach, one that I am sure will only work with a minority of the people who said TWAW, is to undermine the definition of words, yet again, and deliberately cloud the water when it comes to speaking clearly and using terms that everyone agrees with

I have seen it said in more places than Reddit however, and by respected people

Yeah at this point 'woman as defined in the Equality Act' will cover it beyond argument.

Hasn’t that been a thing for a while? See McKinnon, Montgomerie, Upton.

"We don't pander to religion??" Are you mad? It's a huge thing all over the world. The amount of traditions, services, ceremonies etc and the harm it causes is mind boggling. But people are left in peace to get on with that even though some think it's delusional and the religious tend to go around god bothering. Yet there's a tiny minority of trans people and you're up in arms. Crazy world

If Christians forced their way into a Jewish Temple on a Saturday - you might have a point, but they don't do they? The "tiny minority" are ruining things for everyone, why can't they just use third spaces and leave everyone in peace? Because it's all about being affirmed for them and fuck everyone else.

Places of worship are the equivalent of the third spaces that trans people don't seem to want.

That "tiny minority" has managed to systematically destroy our definitions and remove every single sex-based right our foremother feminists fought for. For a "tiny minority" never has any group managed to upturn society in such a short amount of time and become the most privileged, protected and powerful sacred caste ever.

The reaching is from you. Many of us have personal experience with narcissistic transwomen, HENCE why we turned 'terf'. It's a strange assumption that we don't have experience. Get to know a transwoman they said. We did. We're now 'terf'. Quickest way to turn 'terf'. Besides, we don't need to engage with males to know males don't belong in female spaces.

I genuinely believe the naive people who defend transwomen have never even ever met a transwoman so their fantasy image of them is not based in actual reality.

And we don't need to meet males (all of us have males in our life somehow) to know that males don't belong in female spaces.

The two transwomen with whom this subject came up in conversation are both straight identifying and only date men.

They are gay. They are both males and date other males. That is gay. Not straight.

The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of transwomen don't have surgery. The medical data I have seen shows 92% keep their penis and testicles for life. Almost none of them have any surgery. Almost half don't even take hormones. And it's not just about them getting a glimpse of naked women, it's how they make us feel.

Um, precisely ZERO people have said they "transition to ogle naked women", that is YOUR argument, @ChessorBuckaroo . We say they don't transition at all, or almost none actually do, THAT is our point.

I genuinely believe the naive people like yourself who are anti women and who defend transwomen have never even ever met a transwoman so their fantasy image of them is not based in actual reality. If you had, you'd know almost none actually transition. Putting on a dress is not transition, and takes no effort.

We don't pander to religion??" Are you mad? It's a huge thing all over the world.
I was talking about the UK, which is becoming more secular.

Yet there's a tiny minority of trans people and you're up in arms. Crazy world
It is indeed a crazy world when such a "tiny minority " can fuck everyone else around. Thankfully the world is becoming a little lazy crazy

Hah, I see others have responded to your badly thought out post.

Really? Yet they are the most marginalised group in society whilst being 'so privileged ' Get real

I think if Christians went to a Jewish temple they'd be welcomed. In fact many religions do interact like this. Trans people aren't ' forcing' their way in. You've got a warped view of actual everyday life.

Just why do you hate them so much? It must be awful to be inside your heads

People who are planning to transition, are transitioning or have transitioned are covered by the 'Gender reassignment' protected characteristic in the EA2010. I would like to understand exactly why this group are the most marginalised, because I have not seen any evidence of this (including first-hand accounts from people I have talked to who are protected by that characteristic).

The only rights that the EA2010 gives to those with a protected characteristic is not to be treated less fairly than someone who does not possess that PC. So you cannot fire a man who declares that he is now a woman. You could fire him if he keeps barging into the ladies or if his inappropriate fetish gear contravenes the dress code.

What are you on about? Some of the people who have been most damaged by gender identity theory, and of course, due to poor gender reassignment surgeries with horrific complications, are trans identifying people themselves. I do not hate any of these people. Many of them are victims.

We don't 'hate' anyone! We just want our humanity recognised and our human rights as women! Why are you so full of hate for women? Wtf is wrong with you?

They are NOT the most 'marginalised' community at all, they are the most PRIVILEGED, most POWERFUL and most PROTECTED group of all. Never has a group had such POWER! https://thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

It's not about 'trans'. It never was. It's about the battle of the sexes, MALE vs FEMALE. And MALES are forcing their way in female toilets, female change rooms and female only sports.

You've been so brainwashed by the patriarchy you can't see this.

There is a post on the trans uk subreddit just now, screenshot below. Please note the line "It is clear now that it only cares about maintaining cis female privilege at the expense of even more vulnerable people, and jumping on the populist "war on woke, men can't be women" bandwagon rather than trying to do what's right in the name of equality"

I made the unfortunate decision to click on this individuals profile and this self described mature transwomen is in fact a man wearing women's underwear with his knob out in public places, truly vomit worthy stuff.

How is this man, this obvious agp fetishist, a biological women, and furthermore how is he, a man who feels free to flaunt his depravity in public even more vulnerable than women? Are men who want to have a public wank in lingerie in the women's bathroom oppressed? I guess he thinks so!

Men are literally forcing their way into female spaces. This is exactly what’s happening.

I can't believe how many highly intelligent career women I know who declare transwomen are biological women. I can only assume they have been brainwashed on the hot setting and tumble dried afterwards. It's absolutely madness.

Well, this is exactly why we need single-sex spaces to actually mean single-sex!

ETA - Just to be clear, I do not include blokes like this in the group who are victims of gender identity ideology. He is not the same as a young, autistic girl who experienced ROGD or a de-transitioner who has had irreversible surgery that has left them incontinent.

@FlowchartRequired Absolutely, I just don't get it are these men really that unself aware or are they such male supremacists that they think their sexual fulfilment trumps everything else? These men are dangerous.

They aren’t “the most marginalised group in society” though.