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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Trans women ARE biological women"

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TangenitalContrivance · 18/04/2025 10:09

I see this argument and comment more and more the last few weeks and hugely over the last 3 days.

For example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k1tliv/trans_women_are_biological_women/

This statement, and the comments underneath it absolutely baffle me.

The approach, one that I am sure will only work with a minority of the people who said TWAW, is to undermine the definition of words, yet again, and deliberately cloud the water when it comes to speaking clearly and using terms that everyone agrees with

I have seen it said in more places than Reddit however, and by respected people

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DeanElderberry · 18/04/2025 11:17

frenchnoodle · 18/04/2025 10:16

And clouds are candyfloss.

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I was going to say you are WRONG and that clouds are ice cream castles in the air, but I suppose I should try to see both sides.

Gettingbysomehow · 18/04/2025 11:18

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/04/2025 10:23

I saw a clip on YouTube of a young man saying he was a woman and he was obviously biological because he was a human, so therefore he was a biological woman. You can't argue against that level of stupid, perhaps he'll grow out the ignorance.

Fucking hell. Does this madness never end 🙄

vandelier · 18/04/2025 11:18

Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 18/04/2025 11:12

I don’t understand what they’re trying to get at - surely not every trans women has higher levels of estrogen than testosterone pre-meds?

It's not the estrogen it's what's in the brain matter.

frenchnoodle · 18/04/2025 11:21

Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 18/04/2025 11:12

I don’t understand what they’re trying to get at - surely not every trans women has higher levels of estrogen than testosterone pre-meds?

Its nothing to do with estrogen, nothing at all.

It's about feeling like a woman. That's it, that's the only thing.

BiologicalRobot · 18/04/2025 11:21

The sooner it's linked to mental health rather than physical health the better. We don't pander to any other type of delusions whether it's religious, anorexia, or "I am Napoleon" although I sometimes wonder if it's deeply rooted in sexism. If more women had stated this originally it would have been described as mass hysteria (like the satanic sacrifices a few decades ago) but because it was mostly men in the beginning... well, men are NEVER hysterical are they?

Coffeeishot · 18/04/2025 11:22

skippy67 · 18/04/2025 10:12

They're not though. They're men.
No debate to be had. Don't get drawn into the nonsense that tries to say otherwise.

This, don't get drawn into it.

babybelwax · 18/04/2025 11:23

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 18/04/2025 10:53

There’s a female doctor arguing that biological sex “only matters to you and sometimes your doctor” and so it’s wrong to say TWANW. As if the NHS wasn’t fucked enough.

Was that that kooky dr on tiktok? I was baffled by what she was going on about and as with lots of these people it's a shame as I enjoy her content!

MoistVonL · 18/04/2025 11:23

Didn’t Himdia claim this as well? Along with the cervix he apparently possesses.

OllyBJolly · 18/04/2025 11:23

Geez - TWAW all over my LinkedIn pages. There is a brilliantly eloquent guy who is obviously spending all his time refuting this and very patiently explaining on every post that sex is biologically determined and no, the Supreme Court judgement has not taken away any rights from trans people .

Do you think this ridiculous reaction will die down in time?

DialSquare · 18/04/2025 11:24

I’m biologically Christy Turlington.

Coffeeishot · 18/04/2025 11:27

It's as if people haven't actually understand the judgement or something.

RainbowsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 18/04/2025 11:27

@TangenitalContrivance There’s no sense in stupidity and there’s a lot of stupidity about tw issues/protections from women people I’d previously thought were far from stupid. 🙉. It’s both infuriating and terrifying to see how far removed some people’s views are from reality; no facts, no evifence, no logic.
[ great user name btw!]

Needspaceforlego · 18/04/2025 11:28

frenchnoodle · 18/04/2025 10:34

Dr Beth Upton from the Sandie case has actually said this in court.

It's what happens when you are in a bubble and everything is re-enforced by those around you, everything is re-enforced.

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Dr Upton has been reported to the GMC for his delusion.

GCAcademic · 18/04/2025 11:29

In the past, we wouldn't have gone into an asylum and argued with people. We no longer have these kinds of institutions and we have social media now. The fact that delusions are aired publicly now is no reason to now start to engage with them. The SC's clarification of what sex is should never have needed to happen, and the fact that it did is precisely because some people gave the time of day to the delusions and overreaching of a section of society.

Ceramiq · 18/04/2025 11:30

The trans delusion and those it has captured are not going to give up their raison d'être overnight. However, after the Supreme Court ruling, we can now roll our eyes and walk away with absolutely no need to even pay lip service to delusional humans.

sweetsardineface · 18/04/2025 11:32

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 10:40

It doesn't matter what they say.

The law of the land, as confirmed by the Supreme Court, disagrees.

I still can’t quite believe that we can now say this and KNOW that the courts would confirm it, if tested 🥂

IfMyAuntHadBollocksSheWouldBeBiologicallyFemale · 18/04/2025 11:40

I feel like the fabric of reality is being changed at a click of a button at this point like the episode in the latest Black Mirror series.

Up is down. Left is right. Water is dry. Cats mixing with dogs. Sun orbits the Earth. Males are biologically female.

[CURRENTYEAR] Executed x000fe// set true [boolean operator]

ARO0607 · 18/04/2025 11:48

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GCAcademic · 18/04/2025 11:54

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Aw, bless.

"Trans women ARE biological women"
Needspaceforlego · 18/04/2025 11:56

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also Fascism)
an extreme right-wing political system or attitude that is in favour of strong central government, aggressively promoting your own country or race above others, and that does not allow any opposition
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I don't know that woman can be accused of favouring a right-wing political system.
We all vote differently!

Or aggressively promoting our own country or race above all others - woman are of many countries, races and colours!!!

And does not allow any opposition - who is actually opposed to woman having their own stuff (toilets, changing rooms, prisons) back to ourselves???

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radiatorcat · 18/04/2025 11:56

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I think anyone who believes that a serial rapist should be locked up with women is a terrible human. Or someone who thinks rape victims should re-frame their trauma to ignore traumatising situations is terrible. Or people who think exposed penises in changing rooms where young girls are getting changed are terrible. I guess it’s all about perspective.

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IfMyAuntHadBollocksSheWouldBeBiologicallyFemale · 18/04/2025 11:58

Fascist means jack shit nowadays. Everyone is a fascist now aren't they? Christ on a unicycle can you not see that this insanity has always come at the cost to female women and girls. We are always the ones in the firing line.

Deluded males coddled to the nth degree at the expense of OUR safety, dignity and rights.

Males really are playing on babby difficulty compared to women playing on ultra nightmare difficulty.

ARO0607 · 18/04/2025 11:59

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TheTallgiraffe · 18/04/2025 12:00

Well, if transwomen are biological women they're women aren't they? Not trans? So why do transwomen need any special consideration if they're women?