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Politicians respond to the SC judgement

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ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 10:59

A thread to gather politicians' responses to yesterday's Supreme Court judgement.

  1. Stella Creasy. She's rather unhelpfully posted a pdf, (and turned off replies), so archive below.

https://archive.ph/8T1Yl

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

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Floisme · 24/04/2025 15:37

I agree 100% that the Conservatives woke up first and I can't fault Kemi Badenoch on the issue, in fact I think she's been immense. (And let's not forget that the Minister who first announced that they weren't going to proceed with self ID was..... Liz Truss and that she was blasted by Crispin Blunt for doing so.)

I still strongly disagree about it not being a close shave. I believe that, if they'd simply counted the number of consultation responses in the consultation for and against, then we'd have lost.

I don't see how we're ever going to achieve any real change if we can't acknowledge the way all mainstream parties abjectly failed to listen to women.

RoyalCorgi · 24/04/2025 15:54

I think if it hadn't been for organisations like Woman's Place and Fair Play for Women, in combination with the brilliant, bold women of Mumsnet, self-ID would have gone through. The government didn't anticipate the strength of opposition to the consultation.

I do agree, though, that the Tory party was more divided than the other parties on this. There were very few dissenters in the Labour Party, Lib Dems, Greens etc.

EasternStandard · 24/04/2025 16:01

Rummly · 24/04/2025 15:20

The Tories under May consulted on self-ID and did nothing for two years. Johnson stamped on it in 2020. I don’t doubt that he’d have reversed any self-ID law had one been put in place.

Sunak blocked Scottish self-ID.

Badenoch helped pushed through the Cass review.

By the time of the election the Tories had a manifesto commitment to amending the EA to define sex as biological sex.

I really don’t think there was any close shave. Just some loathsome weakness and kowtowing to noisy agitators from some Tories.

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Agree plus Kemi B stepped in when Baroness Falkner was under a McCarthy like threat

And pushed for biological sex in Eq Act

If it wasn’t for FWS and the SC ruling we’d have a committed Labour.

Tf for those brave women. If we’re talking about close shaves it’s Labour not Tories.

SternJoyousBee · 24/04/2025 16:15

Peony1897 · 24/04/2025 14:16

Speaking on Sky News’s Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme, Nandy said the call for those who support organisations such as Woman’s Place to be kicked out of the party had given her pause before signing the pledge. I have to say, that was the part of the pledge that gave me pause for thought about whether to sign it,” said Nandy. “I decided to sign it in the end because I think that the sentiment of the pledge about protecting trans rights and about accepting that trans men are men and trans women are women is really important, especially at the moment with the level of discrimination that people face.”

^Asked whether she would be happy for people who identify as women to stand on all-women shortlists, the Wigan MP said: “Yeah, I think that you have to walk the walk in the Labour party and that means that we have to do two things – one is that we have to accept that people are who they say they are. I’ve never believed that politicians or even me as an individual should interfere or dictate to people who they are.”^

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If she truly only took a stance based on what she thought the law said then why didn’t she emphasise that he law needed to be followed rather than trot out the usual TWAW, TMAM and their all the most marginalised in society argument.

She took the stance as it’s what her 12 yr old SPADs told her and she thought it was a morality issue not a legal one.

RoyalCorgi · 24/04/2025 16:33

If Nandy is saying she didn't understand the law, that doesn't reflect well on her, does it? Lots of women tried to explain it to her but she wanted to expel them from the Labour Party.

Wes Streeting has come close to an apology today. From the Times:

Asked about his previous comments that “trans women are women — get over it”, he said: “I’ve addressed this previously and I don’t mind kind of saying, ‘look, you know, I don’t think that was the right thing to say’.

“And actually, I wish I’d listened much earlier. I don’t think we, to be honest, given some of the rough discourse we’ve had on these issues in recent years, I don’t think we lose anything by having a bit of humility to say, ‘actually, I wish we’d listened’.”

murasaki · 24/04/2025 16:38

Wes Streeting reverse feretted quite a while ago and has been openly supporting the Darlington nurses.

Nandy is adopting the Rebekah Brooks defence, better to be seen as incompetent than criminal.

Peony1897 · 24/04/2025 16:43

RoyalCorgi · 24/04/2025 16:33

If Nandy is saying she didn't understand the law, that doesn't reflect well on her, does it? Lots of women tried to explain it to her but she wanted to expel them from the Labour Party.

Wes Streeting has come close to an apology today. From the Times:

Asked about his previous comments that “trans women are women — get over it”, he said: “I’ve addressed this previously and I don’t mind kind of saying, ‘look, you know, I don’t think that was the right thing to say’.

“And actually, I wish I’d listened much earlier. I don’t think we, to be honest, given some of the rough discourse we’ve had on these issues in recent years, I don’t think we lose anything by having a bit of humility to say, ‘actually, I wish we’d listened’.”

Well I wouldn’t say Wes’s ‘apology’ is 100% clear, but I think ultimately he’s admitted he was taken in by the rhetoric and I imagine as a gay man it was quite strong and that he wishes he hadn’t been so easily led. I accept that, but he needs to act accordingly now, no reverse ferreting or fence sitting.

TheOtherRaven · 24/04/2025 16:50

'I wish we'd listened' is probably the most sincere thing I've heard yet among a lot of lies, damned lies, insanity and alternative realities.

fromorbit · 24/04/2025 16:52

Call to Action
Maggie Chapman is up for an expulsion vote from the Equalities Committee on Tuesday in Holyrood.

Scots contact your MSP as soon as possible! We just need 4 votes one SNP and two Tories and 1 Labour. This could undermine the Scottish Greens and send a warning to politicians who turn against the rule of law.

Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5319426-maggie-chapman-msp-slanders-supreme-court?page=5

Page 5 | Maggie Chapman MSP slanders Supreme Court | Mumsnet

Maggie Chapman has publicly accused the Supreme Court of transphobia. Any lawyers know if this is contempt of court? https://x.com/gussiegrips/status...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5319426-maggie-chapman-msp-slanders-supreme-court?page=5

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/04/2025 16:56

RoyalCorgi · 24/04/2025 16:33

If Nandy is saying she didn't understand the law, that doesn't reflect well on her, does it? Lots of women tried to explain it to her but she wanted to expel them from the Labour Party.

Wes Streeting has come close to an apology today. From the Times:

Asked about his previous comments that “trans women are women — get over it”, he said: “I’ve addressed this previously and I don’t mind kind of saying, ‘look, you know, I don’t think that was the right thing to say’.

“And actually, I wish I’d listened much earlier. I don’t think we, to be honest, given some of the rough discourse we’ve had on these issues in recent years, I don’t think we lose anything by having a bit of humility to say, ‘actually, I wish we’d listened’.”

Lisa Nandy made it clear that she was all for housing male rapists in women's prisons.

Bearing in mind that the Supreme Court decision was only focused on the rather narrow question of whether "sex" meant biological sex or certificated sex, it was already common ground that trans women without gender recognition certificates are legally men.

And yet, there were (and possibly still are) trans women without gender recognition certificates in the female estate. Nandy was fully supportive of that. She said that transgender prisoners should be accommodated in the prison of their choosing. The video is on the internet for ever more.

murasaki · 24/04/2025 16:59

It's incredible that when they reverse ferret, they forget that all the evidence is there on the Internet.

It's not last week's chip paper any more.

I can't decide if it's stupidity, arrogance or both.

Floisme · 24/04/2025 17:01

’I wish we’d listened’ (my italics) is also an implicit dig at his craven, cloth eared colleagues. Nicely done, Wes Streeting - you’ll have to do more than that to get my vote back but it’s a start.

TheOtherRaven · 24/04/2025 17:02

Alternative realities.

Men are women. There are no problems with this. I didn't say that. That didn't happen. I identify as that evidence not existing.

The whole principle needs to go, along with anyone busy enabling it. One of the biggest problems we have with politics in the UK is the bloody awful calibre of people it attracts and who manage, somehow, to get into positions of extreme responsibility while demonstrating such capacity issues that they'd be sacked from most normal every day jobs.

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ArabellaScott · 24/04/2025 17:17

fromorbit · 24/04/2025 16:52

Call to Action
Maggie Chapman is up for an expulsion vote from the Equalities Committee on Tuesday in Holyrood.

Scots contact your MSP as soon as possible! We just need 4 votes one SNP and two Tories and 1 Labour. This could undermine the Scottish Greens and send a warning to politicians who turn against the rule of law.

Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5319426-maggie-chapman-msp-slanders-supreme-court?page=5

Thank you.

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ArabellaScott · 24/04/2025 17:19

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2025-04-24/debates/07510F28-E453-4EBD-83AF-385A0C991955/%E2%80%9CForWomenScotland%E2%80%9DSupremeCourtRuling

HoL debate. I'll go through this later and pull any salient quotes. Just adding for completeness for now.

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OvaHere · 24/04/2025 17:27

RoyalCorgi · 24/04/2025 16:33

If Nandy is saying she didn't understand the law, that doesn't reflect well on her, does it? Lots of women tried to explain it to her but she wanted to expel them from the Labour Party.

Wes Streeting has come close to an apology today. From the Times:

Asked about his previous comments that “trans women are women — get over it”, he said: “I’ve addressed this previously and I don’t mind kind of saying, ‘look, you know, I don’t think that was the right thing to say’.

“And actually, I wish I’d listened much earlier. I don’t think we, to be honest, given some of the rough discourse we’ve had on these issues in recent years, I don’t think we lose anything by having a bit of humility to say, ‘actually, I wish we’d listened’.”

I don't know how sincere he is but Wes Streeting seems to understand what a future Labour leader will need to sound like.

TheOtherRaven · 24/04/2025 21:20

Everything Sir Keir Starmer isn’t going to say about the Supreme Court ruling on biological sex has already not been said, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t at least a small bit of masochistic pleasure in seeing him not say it all over again.

😂

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RedToothBrush · 24/04/2025 21:35

SternJoyousBee · 24/04/2025 12:41

So she confused the legal fiction of the GRC with self-ID? Bollocks.

I really am coming around to the idea of intelligence tests for everyone standing for parliament.

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The trouble with that is they'd be no one left stupid enough to stand...

RedToothBrush · 24/04/2025 21:39

Peony1897 · 24/04/2025 16:43

Well I wouldn’t say Wes’s ‘apology’ is 100% clear, but I think ultimately he’s admitted he was taken in by the rhetoric and I imagine as a gay man it was quite strong and that he wishes he hadn’t been so easily led. I accept that, but he needs to act accordingly now, no reverse ferreting or fence sitting.

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In fairness to Wes he seems to have removed splinters from his behind.

He's doing well. Let's see where he goes from here - but he's leading on a subject that frankly should have been lead by Starmer.

Interesting.