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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Politicians respond to the SC judgement

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ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 10:59

A thread to gather politicians' responses to yesterday's Supreme Court judgement.

  1. Stella Creasy. She's rather unhelpfully posted a pdf, (and turned off replies), so archive below.

https://archive.ph/8T1Yl

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

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Igneococcus · 28/04/2025 06:32

There's a real epidemic of people beclowning themselves publicly at the moment. Roz Foyer is just another victim of this.
What I find astonishing is that none of them seemed to have followed this discussion in any depth before, none seems to realize all these arguments have been debated over and over again.

ArabellaScott · 28/04/2025 06:58

Exactly. Foyer sounds like a total idiot.

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RedToothBrush · 28/04/2025 07:22

ArabellaScott · 28/04/2025 06:20

Roz Foyer of the STUC; 'I’m very clear that women do need to be protected in society from male violence, but the male violence most women experience happens in their homes, workplaces and communities and usually from men that they know.”'

So fuck any women who experience violence at the hands of strangers, or indeed transwomen, amirite Roz?

Plus, the SC judgement includes workplaces and communities and yes they may know the transwomen involved, so wtf is your point?!

Does this mean that trans widows and their families might suddenly have some visibility rather than the usual comments?

Some how I doubt it...

ArabellaScott · 28/04/2025 07:33

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgenpvzxddno

'"We have a ruling here that's basically saying trans women can no longer use female-only facilities.

"Does that mean trans men can no longer use male-only facilities? Will they be forced to use female facilities? Will trans women be forced to use men's facilities?'

Roz Foyer has short dark hair and holds a microphone up to her mouth while she speaks.

Single-sex spaces advice 'problematic', says STUC's Roz Foyer

Roz Foyer, head of the STUC, said she did not agree with the Equalities and Human Rights Commission guidance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgenpvzxddno

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Datun · 28/04/2025 08:02

KnottyAuty · 25/04/2025 07:12

Has anyone posted this yet? Wes Streeting on LBC. Trans issues and refreshing reasonableness from about 18mins. Phew!

That's very interesting. I've just listened to the bit 18 minutes on.

As suggested by a PP, it seems as though he's never really given women any thought. But because he did, indeed, decide to listen, he has finally seen their point of view.

It's a toss up whether you think that goes in the positive or negative pile.

I caught the tail end of the previous topic, and he was far more certain of himself than when he started to talk about the trans issue. Probably because, in this case, he's trying to please both sides. Which, as almost every woman here knows, simply isn't possible

He does agree that women need their own space. So that's a good thing. But he still thinks that transwomen are a sacred caste who need special treatment.

He still thinks they're the most marginalised, vulnerable, suicidal, harassed cohort. What about other vulnerable men? Old men, disabled men, men with learning difficulties? Do they all get a private room, Wes?

Don't you think hospitals are segregated on the basis of infection control and medical need? Not based on the patient's self image??

The argument doesn't make sense. You can't give every vulnerable patient their own room, so why this special cohort?

He seemed to think that the NHS were perfectly placed to do it, too. I'm sure a few TRAs will agree, but the rest of the NHS won't.

Plus, he still doesn't quite grasp that dedicated spaces isn't what they want. Although, I'm sure, in terms of a hospital setting, many of them will be willing to make an exception..

I did like him, though.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 28/04/2025 08:02

ArabellaScott · 28/04/2025 06:20

Roz Foyer of the STUC; 'I’m very clear that women do need to be protected in society from male violence, but the male violence most women experience happens in their homes, workplaces and communities and usually from men that they know.”'

So fuck any women who experience violence at the hands of strangers, or indeed transwomen, amirite Roz?

Plus, the SC judgement includes workplaces and communities and yes they may know the transwomen involved, so wtf is your point?!

This is going back to the ‘men will attack women anyway so allowing TIM’s access to single sex spaces doesn’t really make much difference’ argument, she’s just reinforcing that she thinks men’s needs are more important than women’s. Despicable.

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2025 08:09

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 28/04/2025 08:02

This is going back to the ‘men will attack women anyway so allowing TIM’s access to single sex spaces doesn’t really make much difference’ argument, she’s just reinforcing that she thinks men’s needs are more important than women’s. Despicable.

That's what gets me.

They suddenly use recognition of abuse in the home whilst families have been told to affirm without question and if they don't they are bigoted.

It's appalling.

The twisting of the narrative to suit objectives whilst continuously failing to understand the issues seriously is totally self serving pish.

It's just more cake eating where trans women are always right and women are always wrong.

LizzieSiddal · 28/04/2025 08:15

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 28/04/2025 08:02

This is going back to the ‘men will attack women anyway so allowing TIM’s access to single sex spaces doesn’t really make much difference’ argument, she’s just reinforcing that she thinks men’s needs are more important than women’s. Despicable.

Well if that really is their stance why bother with single sex spaces anyway? It’s all too much faff. They should be calling for mixed sex prisons, wards, sports, loos etc etc etc.

TheOtherRaven · 28/04/2025 08:21

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 28/04/2025 08:02

This is going back to the ‘men will attack women anyway so allowing TIM’s access to single sex spaces doesn’t really make much difference’ argument, she’s just reinforcing that she thinks men’s needs are more important than women’s. Despicable.

'Men will attack men anyway so insisting TIMs use male spaces doesn't really make much difference'

For some reason I don't think she'd agree with that, or find it acceptably 'kind'.

It is really worrying how sexist and how slow of thinking so many of these people are.

lcakethereforeIam · 28/04/2025 10:28

From the Times Sturgeon article posted upthread

The former first minister stonewalled questions on the legal ruling that the term woman is defined by biological sex, insisting that her views on gender identity are already on the record.

Oh The Times, you wag you.

Although Sturgeon by not answering is answering and in the most cowardly, beclowning and, possibly transphobic, way possible. I have more respect for 'come in through the' Foyer and Nadia 'left her wits at home', who will actually publicly speak nonsense and remain true to their beliefs, than the likes of Sturgeon. Then there are the human windsocks such as Starmer, Philipson, too many to list here.

Leafstamp · 28/04/2025 20:49

Archive of the X/Twitter post by Green Party in response to EHRC statement:

https://archive.ph/OD0N5

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