Politicians respond to the SC judgement

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A thread to gather politicians' responses to yesterday's Supreme Court judgement.

1. Stella Creasy. She's rather unhelpfully posted a pdf, (and turned off replies), so archive below.

https://archive.ph/8T1Yl

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

Reading through a lot of the politicians' responses, I can't help thinking - wow, butch lesbians are really having their day in the sun, aren't they?
(I'd say our day in the sun but I've been told that I'm not as butch on the outside as I think I am😠 so I don't know if I'm butch enough for, say, Dawn Butler.. )

It looks like the new most marginalised groups are transmen and butch lesbians.

I honestly have no sympathy for all the boo hooing.

Women with trans identities will presumably just crack on with what they've been doing so far since it seems to have been working ok, no incidents such as have been regularly popping up with men in women's spaces.

Women being challenged? Well yes, that's more of the shit men handed us when they started invading women's spaces and women started to get suspicious and anxious. It's not exactly the end of the world to have to reassure another woman, and I've tended to find as soon as a woman with a trans identity smiles or speaks it becomes clear they're not male.

The whole men being terribly unsafe in male toilets and changing rooms - well I'm not cruel enough to say to anyone the things that the lobby and such men said to women when they were the ones trying to explain being afraid. NAMALT/ fetishing victim status/ if they're going to hurt you they'll do it anyway etc.... it's vile. I am however quite happy for men to have to do what they have made women do for years when using spaces they feel anxious about, which is to make risk assessments on the spot about whether they want to chance it, or go somewhere else, or manage without. That's been what women have done and been expected to get on with, and it's mens' turn to suck it up and get on with it now until third spaces are in place.

Fucking A

Go Kemi. That's awesome.

And I don't believe a word Dawn Butler says. She talks absolute bollocks.

There are six and a half thousand genetic differences between men and women, Dawn, and guess which side lesbians fall on?

Hint, not the men's.

Dawn's as honest as the day is long.

On the 23rd of December. In Svalbard.

Ffs.

Lisa Nandy has said the reason she said rapists should go to women's prisons is because she didn't understand the law!

Not, no they shouldn't, obviously, but the law said they should.

And how does that explain her signing a pledge for to kick GC women out of the labour party for hate?

Honestly these people. For fuck's sake, come up with something better than this.

You cannot dress up 'I still agree with transactivists but my hands are tied', as anything other than that.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20250424/281741275275957?srsltid=AfmBOorjs3UpqW5RFkzy8qR5bJo-9TzNgegoVkT7XC4pY_PzjtUUKi8R

Some more receipts

https://thecritic.co.uk/labour-didnt-start-the-gender-madness/

Actually, this is a bothsides-ism that holds water! Pity he didn't wade in on the LD and the Greens, but they weren't in power and, as there's enough blame to go round to write a library of books, you have to draw a line somewhere.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Nice try Lisa.

She can fuck right off.

So she confused the legal fiction of the GRC with self-ID? Bollocks.

I really am coming around to the idea of intelligence tests for everyone standing for parliament.

Thank you Datun - I have been waiting for her comments since the ruling.

Thanks for this, it's a very useful Roll of Shame from Jonny Best that should make both the Conservative and Labour Parties wince.

Minor point: I don't think Caroline Nokes is Chair of the Women and Equalities Committee any more?

Bigger point: I think one difference between the parties that Jonny Best doesn't mention is the attitude towards dissenters. I cannot recall any Conservative MP getting the kind of treatment from their own colleagues and party members that Rosie Duffield had to endure.

I'm going to be charitable and assume this deeply unpleasant authoritarian streak is a bug as opposed to a feature of the Labour Party (although I'm sure some will disagree with that). Anyway I want nothing further to do with them until or unless they acknowledge this and take steps towards tackling it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62g7007kxko?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR4ZCW0W0dSPXZvPccsZRhOeYkdQJLKGivXobmpPlDfM1VVY2tuBlpfdUwBm6w_aem_aMDj-vtqL5EyTkJokHBwEg

Ms Nandy, in 2020, previously backed a pledge card calling on the party to expel “transphobic” members and described campaigns including Women’s Place as “trans-exclusionist hate groups”.

And I genuinely think when I look at the way the debate is conducted, the way that so much of this is based on fear and creating fear about a group of people who are having a very, very tough time,” she said.

“When we look at the way we reduce the debate to things like bodily parts, I think when we look back in history we will be utterly ashamed of ourselves

Lisa Nandy, 2023

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/lisa-nandy-jk-rowling-labour-labour-party-b2448614.html#

So how is that attitude law dependent? It isn't. It's morality dependent. And she should be bloody ashamed

Certainly no sisterhood feelings towards Lisa Nandy. She needs to be bloody ashamed of the comments she has made about women, she wanted to crush women’s groups. Totally untrustworthy as a politician as she was another captured by the trans lobby and just went along with it.

Whenever I’m pissed off with Starmer (which is often) I remind myself that we could have ended up with Lisa Nandy as party leader.

Well hopefully after her shitty comments about women the Labour Party could never select her as leader!

She and Dawn Butler et al will drive the vote towards Reform.

The premise of that article is bollocks.

That there were some feeble, easily-led Tories is certainly true. The Tories should have moved against trans nonsense much harder and faster. Judge them for weakness, sure, but not for trans advocacy.

The reality is that no Tory government was in thrall to Stonewall, self-ID or the destruction of children’s welfare.

The SNP, LibDems and Greens are the worst. But of the biggest parties it’s Labour that’s the culprit. As a pp has said, look at the party’s conduct towards opposing voices.

The absolute cheek of her trying to spin it. She must take us all for mugs. More front than Harrods.

Yy to an intelligence test, can we put Nandy, Whittome, Butler and Lammy forward first?

Mind you, there’d be a lot of empty spaces on the Commons benches if we did this.

Speaking on Sky News’s Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme, Nandy said the call for those who support organisations such as Woman’s Place to be kicked out of the party had given her pause before signing the pledge. I have to say, that was the part of the pledge that gave me pause for thought about whether to sign it,” said Nandy. “I decided to sign it in the end because I think that the sentiment of the pledge about protecting trans rights and about accepting that trans men are men and trans women are women is really important, especially at the moment with the level of discrimination that people face.”

^Asked whether she would be happy for people who identify as women to stand on all-women shortlists, the Wigan MP said: “Yeah, I think that you have to walk the walk in the Labour party and that means that we have to do two things – one is that we have to accept that people are who they say they are. I’ve never believed that politicians or even me as an individual should interfere or dictate to people who they are.”^

I agree the Tories woke up to this much faster than the other major parties and they didn't treat non-believers with the vitriole seen elsewhere. But I think we escaped self-id by the skin of our teeth. Perhaps if Theresa May had stayed PM someone might have stopped her? Relatively though, out of the lot of them, the Tories come off least worse best.

All the ferrets reversing! I'd have much more respect if they just owned up. Admit they were wrong and apologised. Only Streeting, so far as I am aware, has come anywhere close to doing that.

Yes we were a whisker away from a Conservative Government introducing self ID. You could say they gave away a penalty and then saved it.

I save my harshest words for Labour because they'd been my party the whole of my adult life but I don't think any of them come out of this well.

because I think that the sentiment of the pledge about protecting trans rights and about accepting that trans men are men and trans women are women is really important,

She agrees with the sentiment while she thinks it's legal, but disagrees with it when she's told it's illegal?? You either agree with the bloody sentiment, or you don't.

Yeah, I think that you have to walk the walk in the Labour party and that means that we have to do two things – one is that we have to accept that people are who they say they are.

Christ. the labour party used to be about protecting workers' rights. Not living in La La Land pretending that people can change sex.

Who else does she think can self identify? Criminals? Identify as not having committed a crime?

it's batshit

The Tories under May consulted on self-ID and did nothing for two years. Johnson stamped on it in 2020. I don’t doubt that he’d have reversed any self-ID law had one been put in place.

Sunak blocked Scottish self-ID.

Badenoch helped pushed through the Cass review.

By the time of the election the Tories had a manifesto commitment to amending the EA to define sex as biological sex.

I really don’t think there was any close shave. Just some loathsome weakness and kowtowing to noisy agitators from some Tories.