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Politicians respond to the SC judgement

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ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 10:59

A thread to gather politicians' responses to yesterday's Supreme Court judgement.

  1. Stella Creasy. She's rather unhelpfully posted a pdf, (and turned off replies), so archive below.

https://archive.ph/8T1Yl

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

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murasaki · 24/04/2025 22:33

Oh god, Nadia Whitome is on Newsnight. As she has nothing to say on any other topic, let's see how it goes.

Skyellaskerry · 25/04/2025 06:55

TheOtherRaven · 24/04/2025 16:50

'I wish we'd listened' is probably the most sincere thing I've heard yet among a lot of lies, damned lies, insanity and alternative realities.

I agree, a powerful thing to say.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2025 07:06

RedToothBrush · 24/04/2025 21:39

In fairness to Wes he seems to have removed splinters from his behind.

He's doing well. Let's see where he goes from here - but he's leading on a subject that frankly should have been lead by Starmer.

Interesting.

He wants to be the next prime minister.

KnottyAuty · 25/04/2025 07:12

Has anyone posted this yet? Wes Streeting on LBC. Trans issues and refreshing reasonableness from about 18mins. Phew!

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2025 07:22

KnottyAuty · 25/04/2025 07:12

Has anyone posted this yet? Wes Streeting on LBC. Trans issues and refreshing reasonableness from about 18mins. Phew!

That's a really good interview.

KnottyAuty · 25/04/2025 07:26

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2025 07:22

That's a really good interview.

Quite frankly that is what leadership should look like isnt it? Fair, balanced, reasonable. How have we got to the point where this is a surprising thing to hear someone say after all the fever dream stuff that came before?

im putting 16th April in my calendar as For Women Day - lest we never forget

Skyellaskerry · 25/04/2025 07:53

KnottyAuty · 25/04/2025 07:12

Has anyone posted this yet? Wes Streeting on LBC. Trans issues and refreshing reasonableness from about 18mins. Phew!

Thanks for sharing this @KnottyAuty

Of all the current senior politicians, he is giving me hope. I see a strong, thoughtful, and fair leader, who isn’t afraid of public humility. He said both “I wish I had listened” and “we’d listened”. His openness is refreshing and powerful. Maybe old former Labour voters like me who have been lost and politically homeless can at last see a person who speaks for them, and, who knows, a way back.

Good interview (Ben Kentish can be very annoying on the issue but good questions and gave Wes time to speak)..

Westfacing · 25/04/2025 07:56

Datun · 24/04/2025 11:37

Ffs.

Lisa Nandy has said the reason she said rapists should go to women's prisons is because she didn't understand the law!

Not, no they shouldn't, obviously, but the law said they should.

And how does that explain her signing a pledge for to kick GC women out of the labour party for hate?

Honestly these people. For fuck's sake, come up with something better than this.

You cannot dress up 'I still agree with transactivists but my hands are tied', as anything other than that.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20250424/281741275275957?srsltid=AfmBOorjs3UpqW5RFkzy8qR5bJo-9TzNgegoVkT7XC4pY_PzjtUUKi8R

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Lisa Nandy has said the reason she said rapists should go to women's prisons is because she didn't understand the law!

She actually said that rapists should go to a prison of their choosing - which is even worse! Imagine, you commit a terrible crime then get a choice of where you go, FFS.

borntobequiet · 25/04/2025 07:56

Agree a good interview. An interesting example given involving the safety of transmen on male wards.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2025 08:12

Skyellaskerry · 25/04/2025 07:53

Thanks for sharing this @KnottyAuty

Of all the current senior politicians, he is giving me hope. I see a strong, thoughtful, and fair leader, who isn’t afraid of public humility. He said both “I wish I had listened” and “we’d listened”. His openness is refreshing and powerful. Maybe old former Labour voters like me who have been lost and politically homeless can at last see a person who speaks for them, and, who knows, a way back.

Good interview (Ben Kentish can be very annoying on the issue but good questions and gave Wes time to speak)..

Wes Streeting is an interesting character.

He's a proper working class boy from the East End, who got good grades and went to Cambridge. Although he's polished up pretty nicely, you can still hear his cockney accent and I imagine he would have stuck out like a sore thumb as an 18 year old next to all the posh kids at Cambridge. His family background is interesting to say the least, which probably makes him pretty streetwise because he'll have seen things that his middle class colleagues in their privileged bubbles won't have seen.

I wonder whether the fact that he's gay made him instinctively pro LGBTQ+ everything and less empathetic towards women in the way that a lot of gay men are, but his colourful background meant that the points made by gender critical feminists hit home with him in a way that they didn't with his colleagues. Perhaps the fact that his own grandmother did time in prison gave him more of a conscience about female prisoners, for example.

Anyway, I am pretty impressed with him at the moment and a future Labour party under his leadership might get my vote. (But I said the same thing about Starmer in the wake of Brexit.)

borntobequiet · 25/04/2025 08:16

Maybe Starmer was needed to deal with the Brexit fallout (I’m not unimpressed in this) and Streeting to deal with the gender fallout.

Both, IMO, examples of the dire effects of allowing a combination of ideologically driven self interest, delusion and deliberate mischief making to take hold of public discourse.

Skyellaskerry · 25/04/2025 08:42

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2025 08:12

Wes Streeting is an interesting character.

He's a proper working class boy from the East End, who got good grades and went to Cambridge. Although he's polished up pretty nicely, you can still hear his cockney accent and I imagine he would have stuck out like a sore thumb as an 18 year old next to all the posh kids at Cambridge. His family background is interesting to say the least, which probably makes him pretty streetwise because he'll have seen things that his middle class colleagues in their privileged bubbles won't have seen.

I wonder whether the fact that he's gay made him instinctively pro LGBTQ+ everything and less empathetic towards women in the way that a lot of gay men are, but his colourful background meant that the points made by gender critical feminists hit home with him in a way that they didn't with his colleagues. Perhaps the fact that his own grandmother did time in prison gave him more of a conscience about female prisoners, for example.

Anyway, I am pretty impressed with him at the moment and a future Labour party under his leadership might get my vote. (But I said the same thing about Starmer in the wake of Brexit.)

Dont worry @MissScarletInTheBallroom before my eyes were opened - late in the day to my shame - I thought Nandy might have been a good leader!!!

ArabellaScott · 25/04/2025 09:26

WS: 'I think what the Supreme Court ruling does is two things - one is to be clear that when it comes to sex and gender The Equality Act makes a distinction
between those two things. Sex relates to biological sex and people's gender
identity may differ from their biology, and secondly we can and must uphold the
rights the freedoms the spaces for women, uh, as sexbased rights, and also take care of trans people and uphold their freedom and respect'.

Does the EA actually talk about 'gender identity'? Does it define it?

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Talulahalula · 25/04/2025 13:34

ArabellaScott · 25/04/2025 09:26

WS: 'I think what the Supreme Court ruling does is two things - one is to be clear that when it comes to sex and gender The Equality Act makes a distinction
between those two things. Sex relates to biological sex and people's gender
identity may differ from their biology, and secondly we can and must uphold the
rights the freedoms the spaces for women, uh, as sexbased rights, and also take care of trans people and uphold their freedom and respect'.

Does the EA actually talk about 'gender identity'? Does it define it?

No, section 7 is about ‘gender reassignment’
‘A person has the protected characteristic of gender assignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person’s sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex’

One might question what said attributes of sex are and how this could be reassigned but this is not quantified/qualified in any way as far as I can see. Indeed, the SC judgement para 89 and 90 explicitly noted that this is evidenced by documents for the purposes of a GRC, and there is no guidance on what are male/female names and what it means to live in an acquired gender beyond the person’s name.

The SC judgement mentions ‘gender identity’ once, in paragraph 203 to make the point that they could see no reason why the legislature would have intended that people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment should be treated differently depending on whether they have a (confidential) certificate, ‘even though in many (if not most) cases there will be no material distinction in their personal characteristics, either as regards gender identity or appearance …’

The GRA 2004 uses the term ‘acquired gender’ in the context of gender dysphoria. One would have to go back to the drafting stage of this to see if the phrase ‘gender identity’ was used (if I recall correctly, the term predates 2004), but these documents won’t be released until early 2030s depending when they date from (because of the thirty year rule on govt papers), but the legislation does not use it nor does the SC judgement.

EweSurname · 25/04/2025 21:39

For the record

Politicians respond to the SC judgement
EweSurname · 25/04/2025 22:31

Tangentially, but ironically, related

Politicians respond to the SC judgement
SameyMcNameChange · 25/04/2025 22:34

EweSurname · 25/04/2025 22:31

Tangentially, but ironically, related

That is quite funny (I mean, fair play, serious subject, but quite amusing timing). Is she getting called out on the obvious similarities?

Rummly · 25/04/2025 22:44

Anyone can call themselves ‘doctor’ - like ‘Dr Smith’ - can’t they? I can’t see how ‘nurse’ could be any different.

The issue must be that someone holds themselves out to be a practising, qualified medic, isn’t it? In which case there are already rules and offences in place.

To misquote Blakey from On The Buses…You’re a half-wit Butler!

fromorbit · 26/04/2025 09:23

EweSurname · 25/04/2025 21:39

For the record

Hilarious.
This is important and shows how BADLY the TAs have lost. Only 4 will say the words.

Archive:;
https://archive.is/Aud8S

Trying to bully MPs in 2025 is going to backfire. How many of the 59 are going to or were already peaking. Thanks Penisnews once again your sexism backfires.

You had your chance with the SNP and you destroyed your own side.

Violetparis · 26/04/2025 10:10

Carla Denyer was on Sky News last night confirming that the Green Party policy is TWAW.

KnottyAuty · 26/04/2025 12:36

fromorbit · 26/04/2025 09:23

Hilarious.
This is important and shows how BADLY the TAs have lost. Only 4 will say the words.

Archive:;
https://archive.is/Aud8S

Trying to bully MPs in 2025 is going to backfire. How many of the 59 are going to or were already peaking. Thanks Penisnews once again your sexism backfires.

You had your chance with the SNP and you destroyed your own side.

Penisnews

LOL

SinnerBoy · 26/04/2025 12:40

Violetparis · Today 10:10

Carla Denyer was on Sky News last night confirming that the Green Party policy is TWAW

Well, they can have as many policies as they like, as long as they don't infringe the law by acting on them.

rebmacesrevda · 26/04/2025 13:01

Rummly · 25/04/2025 22:44

Anyone can call themselves ‘doctor’ - like ‘Dr Smith’ - can’t they? I can’t see how ‘nurse’ could be any different.

The issue must be that someone holds themselves out to be a practising, qualified medic, isn’t it? In which case there are already rules and offences in place.

To misquote Blakey from On The Buses…You’re a half-wit Butler!

It could be different. Health professions such as physiotherapist, paramedic etc. are protected titles. Misuse of title is a criminal offence. I believe "registered nurse" is a protected title but "nurse" is not, but the general public mostly wouldn't realise there's a difference. It's an issue of public protection and safeguarding.

https://www.hcpc-uk.org/concerns/what-we-investigate/misuse-of-title/

Misuse of title | The HCPC

https://www.hcpc-uk.org/concerns/what-we-investigate/misuse-of-title/

rebmacesrevda · 26/04/2025 13:17

To illustrate the problem, here's a man who pretended to be a paramedic in order to violate women. I'm detecting a theme here...

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2025-04-24/nhs-worker-who-posed-as-a-paramedic-jailed-for-raping-women