Politicians respond to the SC judgement

[ArabellaScott]

A thread to gather politicians' responses to yesterday's Supreme Court judgement.

1. Stella Creasy. She's rather unhelpfully posted a pdf, (and turned off replies), so archive below.

https://archive.ph/8T1Yl

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

What was it you said to women who were having to use toilets with men in them or self exclude however distressed they were, Jess?

Try that.

Oh really, Jess? Do you hold yourself personally responsible for all the women and girls who have actually been assaulted by men in women's toilets?

Thought not.

https://x.com/EmilyThornberry/status/1915012699752219111

Emily Thornberry, Labour MP for Islington South, Finsbury and De Beauvoir.

'Let's be clear, the overwhelming danger to women and all trans people comes from the violence of cis men.'

Emily Thornberry never was the sharpest tool in the box.

Stonking speech!

https://wingsoverscotland.com/unhinged-malady/

Article from Wings on Maggie Chapman's latest ramblings. With a cameo from the Amnesty lawyer, who offered evidence to the SC, and who is, in fact, not only 'queer' but 'non-binary' - i.e. trans. For all those who keep banging on about the court not having heard from any actual real trans people. She must be quite upset to have her existence so erased.

Yes. Short and very clear. For anyone who can't watch the video:

Jonathan Hinder
(Pendle and Clitheroe) (Lab)

We have made so much progress as a society in breaking down sexist stereotyping. The stereotypes that said women had set roles and should look and act in a certain way were being broken down, exposed as the fake construct they really are. Sex is the only factor that distinguishes men from women. Beyond that, we should be able to live without conforming to those stereotypes. Then a movement came along that argued that all those feminine, girly things and those sexist stereotypes we had been fighting to break down were, in fact, the things that make a woman, and not sex. That is regressive, backward and nonsensical. Will the Minister join me in saluting those courageous women who stood up and pointed out the absurdity of that argument, and commit to rooting out that ideology from our public institutions?

Thanks so much for posting up so many speeches and comments @ArabellaScott

I’d like to frame this and then buy him a pint .

what’s good for the gander is good for the goose!

are these people all tone deaf?
or autistic?
(And before I get jumped on, our autistic family works hard to consider different POVs so don’t tell me it’s impossible)

As we were in the EU at the time of implementation, the EA'10 would already have been in alignment with EU law, surely?

As the law hasn't changed, merely clarified in its original intent, nothing need be changed to further 'align'...

Edit: From today's Commons questions to the PM.

Wait til you hear this one! (excerpted to include only relevant to the SC judgement, it's quite a long exchange with a fair bit of tangential politicking):

Kemi Badenoch tells Starmer he hasn't got the balls:

Mrs Kemi Badenoch
(North West Essex) (Con)
...Does the Prime Minister now accept that when he said that it was the law that trans women were women, he was wrong?
...will he now apologise to the very brave hon. Member for Canterbury (Rosie Duffield) for hounding her out of the Labour party simply for telling the truth?
...There was no apology to the hon. Member for Canterbury. There is no taking of responsibility. The Prime Minister talks about political football; he practically kicked her out of his party—constructive dismissal. He talks about my predecessor. What about the abuse I faced from his MPs, who called me a transphobe for supporting what the Supreme Court has now clarified, to use his words? And where was he? He hid for six days without commenting on the Supreme Court judgment. Why did it take him so long to respond? Is it not because he was scared?
The Prime Minister
The only fiction here is the idea that the right hon. Member delivered anything in office. She held the post of Minister for Women and Equalities for two years, and she did precisely nothing. She provided no clarity on the law, and did nothing to improve women’s lives, which got materially worse under her watch. For example, the Opposition talk about hospitals and mixed-sex wards, up hill and down dale. What happened in the last decade? The use of mixed-sex wards in our NHS rose by 2,000%. ...
Mrs Badenoch
I will tell the Prime Minister what I did. I stopped the gender—[Interruption.] I will, I will. When his Labour leader in Scotland was whipping his MSPs to get male rapists into women’s prisons, I stopped that gender recognition Bill. I helped commission the Cass review. I replaced the guidance on single-sex toilets. I made sure that the puberty blockers issue was resolved, while he was sitting there cheering on the ideology that was taking away safe spaces. And when the Prime Minister stayed silent last week, presumably waiting to hear what Morgan McSweeney thinks, on his WhatsApp groups some of his closest Ministers were plotting to overturn the Supreme Court decision. Labour MP after Labour MP stood up yesterday and challenged the ruling. How can we take his Government seriously on this?
The Prime Minister
... His Labour Ministers called the chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission “appalling”. Baroness Falkner’s role is critical to enforcing the Court’s judgment. She has had to put up with relentless abuse, not just from his Front Bench but from activists and ideologues. Reappointing her would be a clear sign that he is taking this issue seriously, so will he commit to reappointing Baroness Falkner when her term expires this year?
The Prime Minister
I have always said that the debate should be conducted properly, on the principle. I have said it many, many times. I would remind the Leader of the Opposition that when they were in government, violence against women and girls reached record highs, rape prosecutions fell to record lows, and millions of women were left stuck on NHS waiting lists, unable to get the healthcare they needed. Under this Labour Government, NHS waiting lists are down by more than 200,000, and there are domestic abuse specialists in 999 control rooms. We strengthened access to maternity pay, something she called excessive....
Mrs Badenoch
The Prime Minister is clearly so uncomfortable talking about this subject. This is a choice between a Conservative party that stood up for common sense and a Labour party that bends the knee to every passing fad. This is a question about moral courage, and doing the right thing even when it is difficult. The truth is he doesn’t have the balls. The Prime Minister only tells people what they want to hear. He is a weathervane; he twists in the wind. He cheered an ideology that denied safe spaces to women and girls, because he thought it was cool to do so. He hounded a brave female MP out of his party for telling the truth he accepts now. And now, he is hiding behind the Supreme Court judgment. Is that not because he does not know what he actually believes?

https://x.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1914727107294556204

This was after yesterday's speech, btw, but I think it's lovely to see two women standing together across the political divide, sticking up for each other.

'Thanks to
@KemiBadenoch
whose brilliant speech just now was the actual truth, not a new rewritten convenient version if it. She has been one of the most consistent supporters of feminists and women's sex-based rights, unlike any of those opposite now pretending to be.'

And everyone has noticed Starmer's inability to apologise to Rosie Duffield.

https://order-order.com/2025/04/23/watch-starmer-refuses-to-apologise-to-rosie-duffield/

I've just seen someone who I have since identified as Dawn Butler MP [I'm not British and can't recognise all your politicians by appearance] in a discussion on TV.

As well as the current Labour line - 'But we've always said we were committed to single sex spaces!', she ticked a variety of other bingo card boxes by saying that she has a butch lesbian friend... who is 'hounded out' of women's toilet's....
to such a serious extent that Ms Butler and friends have to accompany her into the women's toilet! ... and that's what's going to happen to transmen, thanks to th SC ruling.

Which is the least likely?

That DB has a butch lesbian friend - I nearly said 'suddenly has a convenient butch lesbian friend' but maybe they are old pals who go way back, I don't know.

That her butch lesbian friend gets 'hounded out' of women's toilet - note, not momentarily challenged, as has happened to me and many other gender-non-conforming women, but 'hounded out'.

That DB and her friends form a protective phalanx around the butch lesbian friend every time she needs to go to the toilet.

There was a bit of push-back by a Conservative (adviser not MP I think), but three-quarters of the way through DB's narrative, he just gave up and said something like 'Hmmmm, it IS very complicated isn't it?' and that was that.
Nobody challenged her with her own previous pronouncements on sex and gender, or on the unlikely elements of the butch lesbian story.

Is Dawn Butler the person who suggested that MN should be reported to the Met, resulting in the gem of a thread called
Everyone scarper, the rozzers are coming | Mumsnet

We owe her a debt of gratitude if that is the case because that was such a funny thread😂

Isn't Dawn Butler the one who said that babies are born without a sex?

This!

And that mumsnet should be reported to the police?

Which Labour MP was that I think it was her

Yes, it was Dawn who set the rozzers on us.

Dawn “most Giraffes are gay” Butler? Everything she says is complete true fact and never ever made up into a fantasy to suit her story. Not ever ever ever ever.

I'd forgotten the giraffes, that was hilarious.

Yes, but have the giraffes forgotten it?

what if they have been misidentified in their sexual orientation?

The rozzers that was hilarious

Is she pretending now too that Labour meant something pro women all along

So much lying it’s hard to keep track

Anything from Jess Phillips yet? I can’t find anything and she was edging towards single sex spaces anyway so I am quite surprised.

Her twix account looks to have been unused since the “rape genocide apologist” comment from Elon Musk. Another reason to avoid that platform. Her Bluesky has a lot of posts from 1 month ago and one 16 days ago then nothing. Curious?