Supreme court ruling

[mids2019]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/uk-supreme-court-rule-legal-definition-woman

How do we think this is going to pan out? My feeling reading the piece is that the court is going to side with GC women.....hope so but we will see.

They need to throw in the towel now. Sandie's right they are wrong.

He's a race grifting arsehole. A disgusting racist bigot.

What a relief. We were right. They were wrong.

If I knew how, I'd attach a clip of David Tennant as Crowley doing the "you were right, I was wrong" apology dance in Good Omens series 2 (not likely that he'd ever apologise in real life, obvs)!

I was wondering about Tickle vs Giggle too. Sex realists in Oz must be wondering how their courts came to the wrong conclusion.

As it stands Women in the UK are biological women only (😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ SHOCKER), whilst ‘Women’ in Australia and much of the rest of the world are, well, anyone who wants to be, apparently.

Thank you TERF ISLAND. Although not so bloody R are we, anymore. 😁❤️

Yes ❤️ 💯

Yes it must surely

NHS Fife argue that it was OK for Dr Upton to use female changing room because they identified as a woman

But Supreme Court says that you're not a woman if you're not bio female

Therefore, Dr Upton should not have been permitted to use female changing room

I predict a prompt statement from NHS Fife, saying they appreciate guidance from the Supreme Court as it's all been so unclear previously and they're carefully considering their position. Closely followed by a confidential settlement of Sandie Peggie's claim, coupled with a bland statement in agreed terms saying it's been difficult for all involved / let's move on. Dr Upton will be furious

Edited to add - I was right ! Statement already issued https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5223082/nhs-fife-sandie-peggie-tribunal-supreme-court-ruling/

But, it's always been clear that Upton could not have had a grc, so I don't think this makes any difference? Even the SMs' lawyers said quite clearly that people without grcs remained in their birth sex. I think NHS Fife didn't have a leg to stand on either way - which is doubtless why they'd like to exclude us.

Can anyone confirm the reports that the Scottish Gov aren’t going to appeal this mornings judgement? 🙏🏻

That's your view. Not everyone here's by a long shot.

Certainly the SNP are committed to staying in the ECHR, so my point is if the Scottish government decides to go down the ECHR route then they need to know what the gamble is and why might be at stake even if they do win.

I honestly don't see many options here for the Scottish government.

If they appeal - especially after we've had all these explanations about how sex is not gender - and they win, all that does is call upon the law to be changed.

If Labour don't do it, it risks Reform gaining political ground with the point.

If they go to the ECHR, see above.

If they quietly accept it they will be vilified by their own. But they may not have good grounds to appeal anyway. This raises the point that politically for the SNP appealing with a shit case, they are highly likely lose might well be their best escape route!

And this has always been the case.

It is only the nonsense of Stonewall Law and their opinion that anyone who opposes TWAW is a bigot that has been poisoning the well.

I wouldn't it past the Aussie legal system to claim that biology is different in the southern hemisphere and the UK Supreme Court opinion means nothing!

I have an appointment to see my MS tomorrow. She banned me from talking about women's rights and GI some years ago because she says there is no point: she believes TWAW and I don't and that's it. I'm going to have a lot of fun with her. It will be difficult to remain polite. I'd suggest that all other GC women here in Wales do the same. Hold your MSs feet to the fire.

I think possibly we may need to have a couple of threats of court action here in Wales to get reality centre-stage — but as Drakeford and Hutt have fucked things up so badly that Reform is a shoe-in next year, women may not have to bother. What fresh hell will Reform have for women, I wonder?

Heather Herbert on Sky News. Sorry, Heather, a judge can tell you who you legally are. And did.

The SC has just confirmed that sex is a biological fact, something people particularly on the left have been arguing against for years.
Next step is to stop the flood of sexual assaults we are allowing in, and again defended largely by those on the left. Women won’t stand for it much longer, call me what you like I’ll fight against it as long as I can.
the battle against trans women in women’s changing rooms is won, the battle against sexual assaults from all causes should be next whether you like it or not.

I don't think it was a leg they were attempting to stand on. Some other appendage, which the legal definition of woman excludes,

I always suspected Lady Haldane is a Terf and/or thought the law so mudfled she wanted it kicked up to a higher court.

I don’t think the commentators have picked up on it, but this ruling also means that transmen who decide to get pregnant (though surely this is one of the most female-affirming act possible), will now be afforded full maternity rights even if they do have a GRC.

I'm fine with that. All women should get maternity rights.

This is good news. But probably not picked up on because they don't shout as loudly.

As I understand it there is no higher body to appeal to.

Oh yes, I think Fife are on a hiding to nothing and were anyway even without this judgment.

But if I've understood correctly, if organisations are going to use the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act to provide services to one sex only, it must mean biological sex and so it is irrelevant whether someone has a GRC or not.

That means that all these rape crisis organisations purporting to offer services to women (which they can only do using the single sex exemption in the Equality Act) but taking a trans inclusive interpretation of the word woman have not been applying the law correctly.

It's a genuine win for trans rights but then it's only trans men and TRAs don't really care about them.

On Twitter, John Swinney says "The Scottish Government accepts today’s Supreme Court judgement..........."
https://x.com/JohnSwinney/status/1912461889403036052

I think safe to assume no appeal !

What a bloody relief. Does this now mean the charmer Abbi Taylor cannot be sent to a women’s prison?

the framing by the mainstream media has been predictable...