Supreme court ruling

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/uk-supreme-court-rule-legal-definition-woman

How do we think this is going to pan out? My feeling reading the piece is that the court is going to side with GC women.....hope so but we will see.

Good for you.

I’ve never been burgled. Doesn’t mean I don’t put safeguarding measures in to try and prevent what is statistically very unlikely to happen to me (being burgled) to try and prevent this happening in the first place - locking my door, ring doorbells etc. Also statistically that person would be male.

It’s called safeguarding. Look it up.

Trans ideology now you don’t have to wear lipstick, a frock or high heels to be in spaces. If you say you’re a woman you’re a woman. Until today. Which seems to have gone right over your head.

To end, how can one tell a trans woman from a male who wants to do us harm? Do tell.

I am sorry if you or anyone you care about has been attacked or threatened by some nasty person who has claimed that they are a woman and has used that claim to be a sexual predator

People are who they say they are, right? Isn’t that the mantra? Now you’re saying some transwomen aren’t actually trans and are just using that claim in order to facilitate their sexual predation? And how are we to tell the difference between a genuine transwoman and a person just claiming to be a transwoman? 🤔

The point is that it doesn’t matter! Many women want single sex spaces. That is, spaces without any men in - no matter whether they claim to be women, are nasty, are nice, are straight, are gay, etc.

@Jimmyneutronsforehead that's outrageous.

I'm sorry that you have experienced such serious levels of sexual abuse. I hope that you have real life support to deal with any trauma you are still living with. But surely you must understand that you cannot consent to males in females spaces on the behalf of all other women and girls?

Do you understand that allowing trans people to use single sex spaces for members of the opposite sex on a self ID basis makes it much easier for vile blokes to do just that?

And that even if a male person with a transgender identity using a women's changing room is not a "vile bloke" but genuinely thinks there is no problem being in there, the mere presence of a male person in that space may be traumatising to women who have had too many unfortunate encounters with vile blokes?

I've occasionally encountered males in female bathrooms. More often, though, I've had to use unisex facilities due to stupid policies doing away with single sex loos. So, I've encountered males in mixed sex loos too. Nobody enjoyed it - at least, I hope they didn't. It will be nice if this ruling stems the tide of unwanted unisex facilities. Especially in schools.

More importantly, there are males in women's prisons, women's rape shelters and refuges, women's sports, and women's shortlists. I'm not a prisoner, an abuse survivor, a sportswoman or the kind of high-flyer who would be on a shortlist, panel or what-have-you, but I still care about the women that are, and I listen to their experiences. These are the situations that really needed the law to provide clarity.

We do not disagree! My suggestion is that the guidance should be rescinded in its entirety, because the default should be trans-exclusion. The guidance is no longer needed, and its existence is confusing. EHRC will rreport soon I hope.

And as Sall Grover said, "because we want them" is a good enough reason.

It's actually the same reason trans people have for accessing spaces for the opposite sex, when it boils down to it.

So why does what they want matter more than what women want?

Because many people automatically ascribe higher worth and value to males than to women.

Men who say they are 'trans' are to be cared for. Women are to care for them.

To be fair it was because she had to wind up the discussion at the end of a segment where maya spoke brilliantly and cogently. On the other hand the trans woman barrister put up against her struggles to finish a sentence. I felt a bit sorry for her (the barrister) as an old school trans person whose lifestyle has been completely de-railed by the new wave. They had committed to a lifetime of surgery and hormones but didn’t seem to understand they were in a minority of trans women. Worse they then described a situation where they’d had an intimate relationship with a male doctor who hadn’t known they were trans… which is quite an admission on national TV by a legal bod, when sex deception is considered a potential crime

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/prosecutors-publish-updated-deception-sex-guidance

Exactly.

And if the whole "being born with a penis" part wasn't a big enough clue, this is the most obvious proof that they are still men, that nobody believes they are women, that they don't actually want to be treated like women, and that nobody does treat them like women, because everybody knows that they are men.

If they weren't men, nobody would give a shiny shit about their identities or their feelings or their need to be safe.

And as a woman who didn't take her husband's name on marriage, I can tell you that no one would think twice about misgendering or deadnaming them either.

The barrister kept trying to talk over Maya in a very male way.....

Oh dear. Checked Facebook. My minister has put up an image that says “Trans rights are human rights” and that she will not be debating it.

I feel you have to be dealing with some kind of discomfort about the situation to insist you’re not going to debate.

I may have to find a new church. This situation is incredibly disruptive but if she includes them in her Easter prayers, I may not last through the service.

Perhaps it’s our squeaky, little womany voices rendering us inaudible? Or perhaps it’s actually a perfect example of male privilege and women being treated as second class citizens who only exist to serve men’s wants?

Just wanted to add my voice to those thanking the brave, tenacious women who have fought to ensure this momentous issue has not been minimised and dismissed as so many established powers in UK society wanted it to be. That these women fought at considerable personal cost to themselves is so admirable. I salute you all.

The last time I watched / read the media (apart from MN) today was this morning, for the court judgment. The legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex. The world is round. 2 + 2 = 4.

Absolutely not exaggerating to say that this is life changing for women and children (whether they know it or not). Particularly given the last 10years of total gender woo, stress, anger, questioning ourselves (😡), and the rest of it.

I’m not interested in listening to or reading the bs that IW and the rest of them would / have garbled on about. Blah blah blah. Blah.

Making the most of today. ❤️

Bad luck @PriOn1 . Mine has put up a post saying "The government must now take responsibility and reverse its anti-women rhetoric." Yay!

Edit: misread your post and you're talking about a Church minister not a Government minister!

Well done ladies!

Well stage one push back took quite some time.

We will be at stage two tomorrow asserting what we already knew was true.

I have downloaded the judgement and highlighting significant statements,

It will give me personally more power to my elbow, am a five foot nothing scary cat, (or hedgehog if you know me) so if i ever ever come across a male in a designated female space i will shout out.

The national Trust are going to get complaints from me where there are no female only loos.

I will complain and threaten any organisation in my sphere that does not observe that sex matters where it does.

I will be on my own personal mission as of tomorrow without fear that i am legally incorrect.

That is my new era resolution

Not sure if this has already been posted or not but.. A useful Summary doc of the judgment.

https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2024_0042_press_summary_8a42145662.pdf

i have never encountered males, be they nice, lovely or shitty in female spaces

So what?

I've never personally experienced racism, so should I not be anti-racist? Because it doesn't affect me, in my personal life experience? I'm sorry for the awful things that have happened to you at the hands of men. But should I be sorry? After all, I've also, not personally, been affected by it.

I can imagine the deep mourning at The Guardian, BBC and Channel 4 News over this.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom just sympathising. My gay male friends have been horrible on this issue. Just wondering if I now poke the bear. They have been so shabby.

At least no more women will have to be sacked for not wanting to share their facilities with males.

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