Supreme court ruling

[mids2019]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/16/uk-supreme-court-rule-legal-definition-woman

How do we think this is going to pan out? My feeling reading the piece is that the court is going to side with GC women.....hope so but we will see.

Someone remind me, is Mridul Wadwa (sp?) still in post at Edinburgh Rape Crisis?

I wonder what they would actually say about it? Is there some convoluted logic whereby they would argue that they should be protected as biological women, but also legally affirmed as men? Freddy McConnell was just obsessed with being registered as the "father", I think - I don't think Freddy would be shouting from the rooftops about having maternity rights upheld. I'm not sure how big the "pregnant man" demographic really is, among TM.

In other words, if someone thinks a MCW is a woman and discriminates against them or harasses them on that mistaken basis, they can claim (that rule applies to everybody, male or female, gay or straight etc).

It is very clear. Sex means sex observed and noted at birth, and woman means adult human female.

As they should be.

Also does this mean I can now insist that my male colleague with a fetish for women’s underwear stop using the ladies loo? (Serious question)

Another positive to this ruling is in regard to accuracy of statistics - as the protected characteristics in the EA are those that data is collected about (often legally mandated), and sex has been clarified to mean biological sex, data collection will now have to be sex and not gender, meaning accuracy in e.g. the census, crime reporting/figures. As far as I can see, anyway

I’m really really really happy. I’m an advocate for protecting and making safe spaces for our trans and gender fluid community, but that should never ever have been to the detriment of biological women’s rights. There is room in this world to protect everyone who is potentially vulnerable, but every protected group has individual nuances and needs and you can’t undermine one to support another.

We are finally moving on from allowing personal beliefs to trump biology. There is so much also to unpack about the undercurrent of homophobia that is embedded in the trans movement and the deep rooted misogyny that allowed biological men to continually bully and abuse biological women, (and absolute silence about the rights for women who choose to be men) but right now I’m just really bloody happy.

Still prefacing woman with cis. That can stop now. It's woman, end of.

I would like to see the UK and Scottish (and Welsh!) governments issue immediate clarification to all government funded organisations, including the police, NHS and councils, anyone that provides services and funding for the public, that they must take immediate action to ensure their policy and practice is in keeping with the law ie reality. This means tackling trans activist cruelty to women head on.

Ie protect SS spaces and facilities, arrest males entering SS spaces eg where women are undressed, review policies and ensure the human rights of women are protected. For the past few years many of them have pretended men are women and in their PSED assessments have said there is no negative impact on women as a sex of lying men are women, even though the evidence has shown that to be untrue.

Briefing from Sex Matters, explains implications of today's ruling
https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/its-a-win/?mc_cid=0865be2d4c&mc_eid=7fef7247a5

Why would 3rd spaces be required? The law is very clear - TW cannot be discriminated against when using spaced designated solely for males.

Fantastic news! Well done FWS - thank you and all the amazingly brave women who have contributed to this fight.

Depends what kind of toilet https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Toilets-matter.pdf

Did anyone listen to Jeremy Vine on radio 2? He’s just done a section on this and the tra they had on was ridiculous, apparently 2% of people born are intersex and cannot be sexed at birth and actually it doesn’t matter because how do we actually know what sex people are at birth anyway. JV didn’t really know how to react to that, I’ve always found him on the be kind side but I think that even shocked him as of course we know at birth what sex people are!
all the usual arguments were trotted out, focusing on trans rights and how they are the most at risk in society and ignoring the dangers women live with everyday.
There was one women who called in who was fabulously clear and made so great arguments.

Most of the words in that statement are doing a lot of lifting.

I’m not a lawyer, but I think you can remind your employers of their responsibilities under the EA. If they allow the individual in question to continue using the women’s toilets, you could claim sex discrimination/ harassment in an employment tribunal. I can recommend a very good barrister if you need one!

Have you been in touch with Sex Matters?

Absolutely brilliant. Huge thanks to all those who have fought, either in the open or behind the scenes.

Regarding trans people still being protected under the EA. I would say that means they are protected from discrimination within their own sex class. And rightly so. Transwomen shouldn’t be treated any differently accessing male spaces as say, gay men, short men, nervous men, long haired men etc. The law is absolutely clear that men need to accept other men, who happen to have a GRC, in male spaces.

So using a recent example, Dr Upton should not be prevented from using the male changing rooms. The good Dr should be free from discrimination and harassment from other men, despite choosing to wear dresses, using a particular name or behaving in a feminine way. No transwoman should be made to feel unsafe, harassed or excluded from their own single sex services or provision.

That doesn’t mean Dr Upton can have access to the opposite sex provision that is for women, and excluding the good Dr from these spaces is not discrimination. Because of sex.

I would but my MS is the Queen B herself, there's absolutely no point in talking to her, her entire political 'identity' is based on this crap, there's no way she's going to budge. I also don't trust myself if I were to meet her. All I can hope is she gets voted out finally next year.

Good luck with yours, at least you now have ammunition to take into the meeting with you, I wish I could come and support you. Imagine me there in Green, White and Purple spirit. 🦖😁

Hopefully this means the end of trans police officers conducting intimate searches on opposite sex suspects. Would this be a College of Policing thing, or from central governments?

@CapabilityBrownsHaHa It's a College of police thing. yes this ends it- sex is biological and Pace says same sex searches only

You have to have actually been oppressed yourself and failed to get justice in your own country in order to be able to appeal the ECHR. Not the case here. This is only clarification of the law.

@CapabilityBrownsHaHa also as the judgement confirms that men are men regardless of GRC status has always been law, I think that means that female members of the public who have been searched by the male prison officer that hit the press in recent months for searching women as he has a GRC can now sue for state sanctioned sexual assault.
(Not a lawyer though- it will take a while for the impact of this judgement to become clear)

'The law is absolutely clear that men need to accept other men, who happen to have a GRC, in male spaces.'

And quite right too. This is, and always was, a problem for men to sort out, it should never have been foisted on women

Is he trying to blame the farrago that the SNP have created on Westminster? 🤣