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BumbleBeegu · 16/04/2025 11:02

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/04/2025 10:57

Does it mean that the Women's Pool Championship, has to be played again, so that this time a biological women can win it. 🤬

Now THIS would be amazing to watch unravel! 👌🏻 Here’s hoping!! 🤞

TalkingintheDark · 16/04/2025 11:03

Whoop whoop whoop!!! 🥳🥳🥳

Madcats · 16/04/2025 11:03

X is a cheery, happy place today. How’s it going on Bluesky?

Fox slayer is “Genuinely stunned”, but I’ve not seen anything else.

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 11:04

It's very interesting to see the misunderstandings from the "other side" now, looking at Reddit comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k0g0ao/supreme_court_ruling/

Calyx72 · 16/04/2025 11:05

So so so happy I can hardly contain myself at work (NHS) THANK YOU FWS and everyone who kept going and digging.

RainbowsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 16/04/2025 11:05

I wonder if the (T) WI Fed high ups will finally listen to their grassroots members now?

OvaHere · 16/04/2025 11:05

Fox slayer is “Genuinely stunned”, but I’ve not seen anything else.

You'd think he would be accustomed to this by now. Apparently not.

HPFA · 16/04/2025 11:06

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2025 11:00

Yes they can.

But doing so in the present political climate, would be political suicide and would likely be reversed very quickly by the next government.

Which is why it won't happen.

The government will be very pleased about this.

Their official position was that the law didn't need to be changed so they can point to this judgement as confirmation.

I find it strange that now every trans activist with a Bluesky handle thinks the government is only a tiny step away from Trumpism in its position on trans rights that many posters still seem convinced the government is about to go full Stonewall.

zanahoria · 16/04/2025 11:07

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/04/2025 10:57

Does it mean that the Women's Pool Championship, has to be played again, so that this time a biological women can win it. 🤬

Sadly not.

The judges pointed out that the ruling applies to the equality act.

The way I understand it is that it is legal to create single sex spaces.

It does not compel anyone like the organizers of pool tournaments to create them

Yet, the repercussions are huge. I am sure that it will weigh heavily on those that make decisions in other areas particularly those who have been suckered by 'Stonewall Law'

NotBadConsidering · 16/04/2025 11:07

Madcats · 16/04/2025 11:03

X is a cheery, happy place today. How’s it going on Bluesky?

Fox slayer is “Genuinely stunned”, but I’ve not seen anything else.

Emma Hilton 😆

Supreme court ruling
GCAcademic · 16/04/2025 11:08

OvaHere · 16/04/2025 11:05

Fox slayer is “Genuinely stunned”, but I’ve not seen anything else.

You'd think he would be accustomed to this by now. Apparently not.

The fact that anyone (much less a lawyer) could be "genuinely stunned" by such a judgement demonstrates the extent to which some people have been living in an ideological bubble of their own construction.

CapabilityBrownsHaHa · 16/04/2025 11:08

I wonder if this will have implications on what can be said here / how complaints from the monitors will be dealt with? I guess it comes to interpretation of "harassing" verses factual reality. As always.

TalkingintheDark · 16/04/2025 11:08

Madcats · 16/04/2025 11:03

X is a cheery, happy place today. How’s it going on Bluesky?

Fox slayer is “Genuinely stunned”, but I’ve not seen anything else.

Threats to leave the country… requests for asylum… shock that the courts have said that TW aren’t actually W - so evil!!

It’s very moving.

WinterTrees · 16/04/2025 11:09

Madcats · 16/04/2025 11:03

X is a cheery, happy place today. How’s it going on Bluesky?

Fox slayer is “Genuinely stunned”, but I’ve not seen anything else.

One suspects the Fox Slayer's astonishment springs from the fact that the supreme court listened to women. I mean, wtf? No good will come of it.

Xiaoxiong · 16/04/2025 11:09

Oh my god I am so happy. The resolution this gives to such an important piece of legislation as the Equality Act is utterly vindicating - I'm proud that I gardened for this and feel an incredible sense of pride in the women who have fought so hard.

What a complete and utter relief, I feel quite emotional.

porridgecake · 16/04/2025 11:09

WarriorN · 16/04/2025 11:02

bbc post quoting judge:

I don't think for one second he would read it. But thank you for that. I will keep it to share in the coming days.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 16/04/2025 11:10

It's a shame there isn't a PMQ today - would have been interesting to see the Starmer getting questioned about it.

ButterCrackers · 16/04/2025 11:10

porridgecake · 16/04/2025 10:59

Please, please can someone send James O'Brien a simple explanation, in words of 2 syllables or fewer.
I keep switching him off, then being drawn back for a few minutes, only to hear him still wittering about not understanding any of the issues, and sagely agreeing to callers quoting all kinds of incorrect statistics and other misinformation.
He really is the most irritating man.

It’s the way he tries to make sense of things and come to his own understanding. He stutters and repeats. I want to hear the callers not his lecture. He seems to not understand what a woman is.

zanahoria · 16/04/2025 11:11

GCAcademic · 16/04/2025 11:08

The fact that anyone (much less a lawyer) could be "genuinely stunned" by such a judgement demonstrates the extent to which some people have been living in an ideological bubble of their own construction.

In fairness the GRA has created a hell of a legal mess

Lalgarh · 16/04/2025 11:12

TangenitalContrivance · 16/04/2025 11:04

It's very interesting to see the misunderstandings from the "other side" now, looking at Reddit comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k0g0ao/supreme_court_ruling/

From that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k0g0ao/comment/mndt4ef/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Positive action: Currently, trans women with a GRC could benefit from ‘women-only’ shortlists and other measures aimed at increasing female participation. Trans men with a GRC could not. A biological definition of sex would correct this perceived anomaly.

(Commenter referring to item above): "Speaking as a stealth, passing trans man (with a GRC), I have absolutely no need or desire to be on a women-only shortlist. This is not a positive action."

Lots of concern for Trans men now. Which is nice

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2025 11:13

CapabilityBrownsHaHa · 16/04/2025 11:08

I wonder if this will have implications on what can be said here / how complaints from the monitors will be dealt with? I guess it comes to interpretation of "harassing" verses factual reality. As always.

I'm minded to remember the following:

Women have only been able to pursue this case and uphold their EXISTING legal position that sex is biological because Maya Forstater won her case under freedom of speech.

I find it highly doubtful we would have got to this point without free speech.

Free speech is not a 'trump thing'. It's a people against power and authority thing.

RedToothBrush · 16/04/2025 11:14

Lalgarh · 16/04/2025 11:12

From that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k0g0ao/comment/mndt4ef/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Positive action: Currently, trans women with a GRC could benefit from ‘women-only’ shortlists and other measures aimed at increasing female participation. Trans men with a GRC could not. A biological definition of sex would correct this perceived anomaly.

(Commenter referring to item above): "Speaking as a stealth, passing trans man (with a GRC), I have absolutely no need or desire to be on a women-only shortlist. This is not a positive action."

Lots of concern for Trans men now. Which is nice

What suddenly they become visible the second they serve the interests of trans women to use them?

Odd that.

mateysmum · 16/04/2025 11:16

Just caught up as I've had to do "stuff", came home and saw the headline and suddenly feel a bit teary. I didn't think it would affect me this much but by golly, what a win!
To all warrior women who have stood up and resisted all the insults and threats, who have taken this the whole way up the legal ladder, I stand in awe of you! Thank you, a million times thank you.

TheOtherRaven · 16/04/2025 11:17

The fact stands for women with trans identities that things like the shortlists are there to support the disadvantage of their sex class. Like their right to maternity leave etc.

If they personally don't want it, that's fine. Their not wanting it does not affect the need of their sex class.

The point made by the judge is that once you start trying to define the needs and rights of a group that's mixed sex with and without certificates its total incoherence and unworkable.

This is one of those 'not everything is all about you all the time' things.

DancingFerret · 16/04/2025 11:18

Brilliant. That's a huge pin in the bubble of ideology.

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